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Doing a Ki-44 out of the Ki-43? - Poltava - 08.10.2008
I am WAAAY out of my league here, being a mere FMB-addict, not knowing anything about how you do aircraft, but as I've seen others shooting off their requests and/or ideas about new aircraft to add to the game, I might as well have a go.
There is only one operational Japanese Army Airforce single-engined Fighter really missing from this game, and that's of course the Nakajima Ki-44 "Shoki", designed as a heavy fighter to be used mainly as an interceptor of heavy bombers. It was used in that role, not least against the B-29.
Anyway, wouldn't it be possible to somehow use, rebuild, re-engineer and/or replace one of the five Ki-43's in the game? (Preferably the Ki-43 Ia as it was never used in action, only being a sort of pre-production model.)
I mean, turn this one:
![[Image: anabuki3.jpg]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/Poltava/anabuki3.jpg)
... into this one:
![[Image: Ki44c.jpg]](http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/Poltava/Ki44c.jpg)
They are similiar but only in a superficial way, but their FM's (and armament!) were of course quite different, the Ki-44 being a fast hard-hitter where the Ki-43 was a nimble dog-fighter. I don't know. Perhaps it simply doesn't work this way :?
Just a wild idea.
- danger - 08.10.2008
At last, someone after my own heart lol
although you will get little response here re the japanese airforce, this would be a splendid idea.
i will say that the ki44 more resembles the ki84.
- TinyTim - 08.10.2008
+1
Ki-44 is, in my opinion, one of the most needed single engined fighters in the sim as of now. I'd place it right after the typhoon, and release of typhie is just a matter of time so...
But I think it would be better that airplane is built with new 3D model from scratch. I'd gladly do it myself, but my skills with 3D modelling are nonexistent.
- pilot235 - 08.10.2008
You know what? I like Japaneese planes over any other planes, and i'd really like to have it in game. After what i read, it's a nice little bird, though not having that much power over 10k (but who'd acutally go over 10k on AAA server?).
Anyways, Japaneese planes FTW!
- JFCjef - 08.10.2008
+ 1. I dont really like Japanese aircraft but i sure like to shoot em down, and the japanese planeset sure needs a boost because if it carries on like this we will have 500 allied aircraft and only 10 Japanese fighters to combat them lol.
So to all Modders Please pick this KI 44 program up and give the japanese pilots something to Fight us with again :-)
- JFCjef - 08.10.2008
Some Spec's Of the KI 44 IIb
General characteristics
* Crew: one, pilot
* Length: 8.84 m (29 ft)
* Wingspan: 9.45 m (31 ft 01 in)
* Height: 3.12 m (10 ft 23 in)
* Wing area: 15 m
- goshikisen - 08.10.2008
A "Shoki" would be truly sensational... always thought it looked about as "Hot Rod" as a WWII fighter could get.
While we're on the subject of "Japanese Aircraft We'd Like to See in IL2"... I'll offer up Ki-100-Ib "Otsu". This model differing from the one in the game only by having the cutdown rear fuselage and all-round-view canopy. I wouldn't know how much work a conversion would take but I'd think it'd be in the order of the Tempest/Typhoon conversion. It'd be nice to have the definitive version of the "Goshikisen".
![[Image: goshikisen-1.jpg]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/goshikisen-1.jpg)
- Chaoic16 - 08.10.2008
I am going to add these aircraft to my aircraft requests library so that way, modders will pick them with references given by all of you anytime in future.
UPDATE: Added all of your information to viewtopic.php?p=92640#92640 and if you have any more of references for these aircraft, let me know and post them to my thread. I will be more than glad to update Ki-44 reference materials in the list.
Chaoic out...
- snaphance - 08.10.2008
Well, the 43 and 44 are similar somewhat in the canopy and the tail. Start there, and maybe throw in a dash of modified J2M or I-185 for the tapering of the cowling. I think you might need to design the wings by scratch, I don't think there is any other plane with similar wing roots.
- PDelaney - 08.10.2008
This aircraft had also packed some serious firepower - It would be great to see the later shoki's modelled like the Ki-44-IIc: 2 x 12.7 mg's + 2 x 40mm Ho-301 cannon or the final production model the Ki-44-IIIb: 2 x 20mm cannon + 2 x 37mm cannon
pleeeease
- Chaoic16 - 08.10.2008
PDelaney Wrote:This aircraft had also packed some serious firepower - It would be great to see the later shoki's modelled like the Ki-44-IIc: 2 x 12.7 mg's + 2 x 40mm Ho-301 cannon or the final production model the Ki-44-IIIb: 2 x 20mm cannon + 2 x 37mm cannon
pleeeease
If you find any more information about arament of Ki-44, please bring them here so I can update Ki-44 references at viewtopic.php?p=92640#92640. It only annoy modders if poeple just beg while doing nothng. So asking modder while bring references is much better, therefore will be helpful to modders.
Chaoic out...
- GerritJ9 - 09.10.2008
That Ki-44 is probably from CFS2; not sure if it would be possible to import it into IL2, would probably need a lot of reworking. CFS2 cockpits were dreadful so that definitely WOULD have to be done from scratch.
- ojcar - 09.10.2008
I think is not the CFS2 model. I'ts the Strike Fighters model (Thirdwire series). By the way, I have some PDF books about this plane and others (ki-45, Ki-61, MiG-15, etc). If you like, give me an E-mail
- PDelaney - 09.10.2008
Chaoic16 Wrote:PDelaney Wrote:This aircraft had also packed some serious firepower - It would be great to see the later shoki's modelled like the Ki-44-IIc: 2 x 12.7 mg's + 2 x 40mm Ho-301 cannon or the final production model the Ki-44-IIIb: 2 x 20mm cannon + 2 x 37mm cannon
pleeeease
If you find any more information about arament of Ki-44, please bring them here so I can update Ki-44 references at viewtopic.php?p=92640#92640. It only annoy modders if poeple just beg while doing nothng. So asking modder while bring references is much better, therefore will be helpful to modders.
Chaoic out...
Referenced from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Ki-44
Variants
Quote:Ki-44 IIc
(Mark 2c) first version with heavy armament - four 20 mm Ho-3 cannons or two 12.7 mm Ho-103 machine guns and two 40 mm Ho-301 cannon.
Ki-44 IIIb
(Mark 3b) two 20 mm Ho-5 cannons and two 37 mm Ho-203 cannons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho-301_cannon
Quote:The Ho-301 was a Japanese 40 millimeter calibre autocannon that saw limited use during World War II, on Japanese Army Nakajima Ki-44 and Kawasaki Ki-45 KAI aircraft. It was unusual in using caseless ammunition. Although the effective range of the cannon was only 150 meters (490 ft), the Ho-301 was light and rapid-firing for its caliber. The caseless design revolved around a specially designed projectile, that was in effect a small rocket.
Up close n personal with a B29... mmm
- snaphance - 09.10.2008
If it could even get to B-29 altitude, it would have a chance of blowing it out of the sky.