[MOD][BETA] JapanCat Bf-109 v0.086 *UPDATE* - Printable Version

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- JapanCat - 22.01.2010

Hi Everyone

The most important thing is that it's similar.
Most drawings are wrong.
A lot of times I see a real picture. And I corrected Shape.

Thank you very much. JapanCat

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- walter_solito - 22.01.2010

Dear Japancat , your work is really accurate!!!

The shape of the 109 now is really better!

We must not forget that this is anyway a SIM!!!

cheers

walter

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- JG54Spookie - 22.01.2010

walter_solito Wrote:Dear Japancat , your work is really accurate!!!

The shape of the 109 now is really better!

We must not forget that this is anyway a SIM!!!

cheers

walter

I agree 8)

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- Paulo Hirth - 23.01.2010

The work in Bfs109 was very special, we are very thankfull JapanCat.

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- JapanCat - 24.01.2010

Paulo Hirth Wrote:The work in Bfs109 was very special, we are very thankfull JapanCat.

Hi mate Paulo Hirth

This work has started from your PM. :wink:

Thank you very much. JapanCat

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- musikerz - 29.01.2010

Hi, JapanCat, some pics of comparison, maybe you will be interested, hope it will be helpful. If you need my reference material, please let me know.

the nose of real 109E vs. unkown profile vs. il2 109E












real G2 vs. G2 sideview from 109lair, amount of similarity is high




il2 F2 wireframe vs. F2 sideview from 109lair vs. G2 sideview from 109lair



backgrounds make the comparison more clear to find out the difference, the nose is the big probelem

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- Seehund23 - 29.01.2010

Hi Japancat! I have a small problem :? with Bf109E7/B in your Mods v0.086. The droptank is disappear. When i delete The FOLDER Bf109E7 in your mods The droptank i have but dont have your correct cool models .And the same problem with v0.077.
How to cheng this?
Link to screenshort http://img683.imageshack.us/g/34785241d.jpg/

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- JapanCat - 29.01.2010

Seehund23 Wrote:Hi Japancat! I have a small problem :? with Bf109E7/B in your Mods v0.086. The droptank is disappear. When i delete The FOLDER Bf109E7 in your mods The droptank i have but dont have your correct cool models .And the same problem with v0.077.
How to cheng this?
Link to screenshort http://img683.imageshack.us/g/34785241d.jpg/

Hi Seehund23

There are no drop tanks in original E Series.
That's collision with Ultimate 109s Pack.
It's corrected in new Ultimate 109s Pack.

Please wait for new Ultimate 109s Pack a moment. :wink:

Hi musikerz

Please, you correct to 3D models


Thank you very much. JapanCat

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- musikerz - 29.01.2010

Quote: Hi musikerz

Please, you correct to 3D models

Sorry, JapanCat, what does this mean? I hope you like my comparison, it is not perfect, but it really can show us some problems with the il2 109 model, they are there! Hope you and your colleagues could look into these problems and eventually correct them in your new MOD, giving us a better visual experience. And looking forward to the Ultimate 109 Pack, thank you very very much!

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- JapanCat - 30.01.2010

musikerz Wrote:

Quote: Hi musikerz

Please, you correct to 3D models

Sorry, JapanCat, what does this mean? I hope you like my comparison, it is not perfect, but it really can show us some problems with the il2 109 model, they are there! Hope you and your colleagues could look into these problems and eventually correct them in your new MOD, giving us a better visual experience. And looking forward to the Ultimate 109 Pack, thank you very very much!

Hi musikerz

The picture is true. But the angle isn't a zero.
The angle is a zero for a drawing. But the shape makes a mistake.

We don't get the truth.
Is it understood?

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- Seehund23 - 30.01.2010

Thank very much for your answer JapanCat . Waiting a New COOl 8) Update

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- musikerz - 30.01.2010

JapanCat Wrote:

musikerz Wrote:

Quote: Hi musikerz

Please, you correct to 3D models

Sorry, JapanCat, what does this mean? I hope you like my comparison, it is not perfect, but it really can show us some problems with the il2 109 model, they are there! Hope you and your colleagues could look into these problems and eventually correct them in your new MOD, giving us a better visual experience. And looking forward to the Ultimate 109 Pack, thank you very very much!

Hi musikerz

The picture is true. But the angle isn't a zero.
The angle is a zero for a drawing. But the shape makes a mistake.

We don't get the truth.
Is it understood?

Yeah, that's right. but I believe the sideview shape is somehow also true, most 109E sideviews I found have the same nose as the photo. if you don't believe me, I can post more sideviews.

Here is more from Aero Detail, I don't speak Japanese, but you can read them.




If you think the in-game screenshot is misleading, can you please show me some il2 109E model wireframe sideviews

And if you think the sideviews from 109Lair are wrong, could you show me the your correct shapes of E, F or G, so we can better compare them with other resources?

Please, don't get me wrong, I really wanna help you to find the best shapes of 109s. If you don't think we have the truth, so let's find more resources, and compare them to the real 109 photos, then you know what is best drawing, so you can create the best 109 shapes in the history of flight simulation games. You will be a hero for us all, trust me!

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- GBrutus - 31.01.2010

Truth be told even the best scale drawings have errors. Even factory blueprints should not be relied on exclusively as these are intended for marking out the general layout of an aircraft's parts and components rather than an accurate representation of it's dimensions. I've found it is best to cross compare with as many drawings and photos as possible and then if you're lucky you'll maybe get around 95% accuracy. Also bear in mind that JapanCat has to work within certain limitations unless he wants to rework the entire model. When you fix one part of the mesh you have to rework another and so on until it becomes more and more time consuming. I think the level of detail and accuracy some of us want will come with SoW.

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- JapanCat - 01.02.2010

Hi everyone

109 of IL2 wouldn't be perfect.
But it's very similar.

Correcter material is necessary for any more correction with much effort.

The judgement in in-depth territory is very various by a person.
So a failed possibility becomes big.

Whoever sees, it "is similar", if, I think it's a best to stop by the level I say.

Thank you very much. JapanCat

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- Alex T. - 08.02.2010

GBrutus Wrote:Truth be told even the best scale drawings have errors. Even factory blueprints should not be relied on exclusively as these are intended for marking out the general layout of an aircraft's parts and components rather than an accurate representation of it's dimensions.

I agree with the first part of your statement, but factory blueprints are 100% accurate!!! You might not want to take into account side views where eletrical or hydraulical plants are shown, but a dimensional drawing from the factory drawing table is accurate to the millimetre (yes, even in the '30s)!!!

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