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- Freddy - 18.12.2009

The only valide test is the test from a real pilot ....
The virtual world of il2 is not the same as the real world , some guys don t want to understand that and it s impossible to talk ....
The curves can t say if a fm is good or not , the only way is to take the real spec and to fly the plane in the simulation to see if it s good and to let the stick to a real pilot ....
Maybe you ll find a perfect curve somewhere , but not sure a real pilot will say that the FM is realistic .... :wink:
Why ? Because the curves in IL2 don t give you the real FM !!!

- ACE-OF-ACES - 18.12.2009

Freddy Wrote:The only valide test is the test from a real pilot ....

WRT IL2: A lot of people who use IL2Compare will disagree with you
WRT RL: All the real world test data I used to compare your F86 to was derived from flight tests by real pilots.

Freddy Wrote:The virtual world of il2 is not the same as the real world , some guys don t want to understand that and it s impossible to talk ....

I don't know of anyone here that does not understand that..

In that I have said more than once

No flight sim was, is, or ever will be perfect (read same as real world)

Freddy Wrote:The curves can t say if a fm is good or not

Disagree 100%

Freddy Wrote:, the only way is to take the real spec and to fly the plane in the simulation to see if it s good and to let the stick to a real pilot ....

Wait a min..

Isn't that the way you and yours (all 15 or so of you) did with your 'team testing'

And yet the ROC bug was not found using your 'team test' method..

It wasn't until I using the INFOMOD that presents data based on real world test methods..

Along with my 'formal' real world test methods (read NASA methods) that the ROC bug/error was found/confirmed.

After which you announced you would be 'changing' the FM.

Just to highlight how poor your test methods are..

I will ask you what I asked you 10 or so pages ago..

How do you validate your FMs?

As in what is your 'test method'?

IMHO your lack of response to that question speaks volumes as to how poor your test method is..

Assuming you did any at all!

In light of the 35% error in ROC

That even a half-arse test would have reviled

I think it is clear that you have no test method!

Certainly not a repeatable one! (read non scientific method)

Oh sure Ill bet you have plenty of track files of you shooting down one of your team mates in an online in a DF mission with 3 or 4 others buzzing around..

But anyone that knows anything about flight performance testing knows that says something about the pilot skill/luck and nothing about how accurate the plane performance is..

But don't let that stop you!

Keep on making your FMs!

In that some folks here not only enjoy Quake flight sims..

But some need the edge/advantage they get from a F-86 with an X-Wing FM to get a kill!

I am just not one of them.

Freddy Wrote:Maybe you ll find a perfect curve somewhere , but not sure a real pilot will say that the FM is realistic .... :wink:
Why ? Because the curves in IL2 don t give you the real FM !!!

Disagree 100% still

You can say it any way you like..

You can repeat it as many times as you like..

But

It will not change the FACT that real pilots look at such curves to determine the performance of real plane..
Nor will it change the FACT that real pilots look at such curves to determine the accuracy of the simulation of a real plane..

Nice try though!

Gold star for effort!

- zaelu - 18.12.2009

Quote:So what part of me not giving a rip about what you think of me are you still struggling with?

Why so personal? What's the point? I was referring at your verbose... your posts... your rows of text... sure you wrote them but you are more than your posts... right?

I'm looking at all this structured quoting and answering of yours and that's why I say is a lost effort... it may be academic in a way but, here... is just insulting... it's like trying to break peoples every sentence into bits and analyze them. Most certainly you reach to conclusions about the intention of the original words that the authors didn't think as language is not really applied with mathematical rigor... especially foreign language Wink

. Thus you find purposes and intentions where they weren't and then when you point them out people are offended (especially if they are french Tongue

j/k).

You should think if your effort is optimized. Maybe you get things going in the way you want... but, the power you consume is immense... then you will be upset by that fact and you will still not be happy.

With all this effort and kind of rigor you are showing, I am sure you could had build a separate FM for the plane and talk with Freddy as a peer and not just as a critic. With a bit of more tact... everybody would had won more... including you.

Anyways... you do how you want... but if you answer to my post... make "a less" effort and try to answer to my conclusion of the post... with just one phrase or something Tongue

P.S. I've read your last post, lol Big Grin

- European Snake - 18.12.2009

Ace, your point is now Null. I WAS reading them, but they are now simply annoying. Please, for the good of this thread, and I mean this as respectfully as possible, SHUT UP!

- Alex T. - 18.12.2009

European Snake Wrote:Ace, your point is now Null. I WAS reading them, but they are now simply annoying. Please, for the good of this thread, and I mean this as respectfully as possible, SHUT UP!

ditto, you should actually consider changing your nickname into "prick of pricks".. unbelievable, one person puts so much efforts into a FREE mod (that nobody is forcing you to use!!!) and all you can do is just be such a bitch.. go get a life..

- Murph - 18.12.2009

I think the man in entitled to his opinion. And I don't think his points have been refuted. But it does seem he is wasting his time. Remember that when one person disagrees with the majority, the odds of his being right are in direct proportion to the violence with which the majority tries to silence him.

- ACE-OF-ACES - 18.12.2009

Murph Wrote:I think the man in entitled to his opinion. And I don't think his points have been refuted. But it does seem he is wasting his time. Remember that when one person disagrees with the majority, the odds of his being right are in direct proportion to the violence with which the majority tries to silence him.

Bingo!

- ACE-OF-ACES - 18.12.2009

zaelu Wrote:P.S. I've read your last post, lol

sure sure sure..

And I have a bridge for sale..

Interested?

- ACE-OF-ACES - 18.12.2009

European Snake Wrote:Ace, your point is now Null. I WAS reading them, but they are now simply annoying. Please, for the good of this thread, and I mean this as respectfully as possible, SHUT UP!

Ah I see your problem Euro

You are under the impression that I give a rip about what you say..

For future reference..

Know that I don't

Thanks! S!

- ACE-OF-ACES - 18.12.2009

Alex T. Wrote:ditto, you should actually consider changing your nickname into "prick of pricks".. unbelievable, one person puts so much efforts into a FREE mod (that nobody is forcing you to use!!!) and all you can do is just be such a bitch.. go get a life..

As Murph pointed out..

You and yours have yet to refute anything..

Thus you have to resort to kill the messanger tatics..

Nice

Fact remains that Freddy was the FIRST ONE TO RESORT TO NAME CALLING AND ARGUING..

Not me

SAVVY?

- Alex T. - 18.12.2009

look, it's very simple:

1) if u don't think the ROC is correct, keep it private with him, there's no need to show off on the forum.
2) it's a free addon, nobody is forcing you to use it if you don't like it. Actually you can do a patched version yourself and use it/share it. You don't know how to? Get hold of a tutorial and learn how, instead of wasting time bitching here.
3) even if you get things right (or what you think it's right), the sim will never be accurate: there are SO many factors that aren't taken into account (pilot tiredness under jet performance for instance), so just take it for what it is, a really good sim, but that will never be the ultimate realism.
4) I'm not saying that your point are right or wrong, but christ, you gotta work on your human relationships!

- Guest - 18.12.2009

ACE-OF-ACES Wrote:Fact remains that Freddy was the FIRST ONE TO RESORT TO NAME CALLING AND ARGUING..

Not me

SAVVY?

ACE-OF-ACES Wrote:sure sure sure..

And I have a bridge for sale..

Interested?

Keep the bridge for yourself maybe. You've made very valid points Ace but now your just ranting the same shit again and again and again...and again.. oh and you can quote me on that too Tongue

Why not just wait till they're next update, see if they've made changes that you pointed bugs out to, go HAH I was right/wrong, point out anymore errors, and stop with the "I kicked a hornets nest and got stung because I stood there still waving the stick" (metaphorical, im not implying you were offended or stung in any way because as you have so politely pointed out you dont really give a flying fuck what ppl think.)

- European Snake - 19.12.2009

Dear Forum Moderators,

It is clear that the vast majority of people here are sick of Ace-of-Aces's constant complaining. I would sincerely appreciate it if you would do something. Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
ES

- thespartan - 19.12.2009

I am getting a crash at 20% loading at the splash screen, it freezes there for a momment, then shoots up to 60% then crash, i tried my best to install everything, even while translating French, and i am fairly certain i did everything right, but i still get the crash. Is this not supported by UI 1.2?

- P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole - 19.12.2009

ACE-OF-ACES I believe I've told you various times to cease posting. You continue to do so despite the fact that as an admin I've asked and told you repeatedly to stop. No one denys that you have a point. But you ram it home in the most rude, arrogant and unhelpful way that i have seen. I do not care who started this stupid polemical debate here first, frankly the provocation was tiny and did not warrant the enormous response you've given it. Therefore:

ACE-OF-ACES, you WILL stop posting in this thread, you will not even acknowledge this message. If you make any other posts (but not in this thread for at least a week), you will do so with some more humility and with the respect you should have shown when you started.