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- GentleKiller - 30.04.2008

BigSilverHotdog Wrote:It mostly depends on whether world war iii starts this year or next year.

hopefully not, and there will be no winner between russia and USA :wink:

- nearmiss - 03.05.2008

GentleKiller Wrote:
BigSilverHotdog Wrote:It mostly depends on whether world war iii starts this year or next year.

hopefully not, and there will be no winner between russia and USA :wink:

I think of Russians as friends. I know there is still a bit of rivalry, but I think it's more a competitive spirit.

Personally, I look forward to one day visiting the Russias. I'd love to see the Crimea, the Kuban, etc. It is interesting how we begin to think well of the people we previously thought of as enemy, after we begin to know the people and their history.

IL2 has facilitated new friends... a "game" has probably done alot more for relations between our countries than any political jib jab.

PC Setup - Wilder.Pilz - 17.05.2008

Hey to all Pilots

I ordered a new PC yesterday a want to let you guys know what this setup is made off.

I hope I did a investment in the future. After detailed reading in differnt kind of Forums I decided for this

Mobo: GigaByte GA-EX38-DS4, Intel X38, 1.600 MHz (MSI is also very interesstin!)
CPU: Q6600 and TMG i1 --> HotHotHot
GPU: Nvidia 8800GTX, 768MB, 384bit --> Same performance like the 9800ver.
Power: 550W --> more than enought, also if you want to overcklock your system
Ram: 4GB KingstonHyperX --> 3Gb is more than enought, but I want it BIG
500 GB Seagate, Giga GX-01B Big Tower + 5 fans for good ventilation (Big tower for good cooling performnace)

and no WinVista (noGo for me Smile )
I use a WinXP 64bit instead. Maybe I will switch some day to Vista, but sure not now!
i welcom all comments on this setup.
Maybe also an advise for people how plan to build up a new Pc System.
I will give a detailled briefing after the first test.

- BigSilverHotdog - 17.05.2008

Hi Wilder! If you've never built a PC before use google to find some basic articles, they are all over the internet. It looks like you have made good choices of hardware -- your build should be very fast and give you many years of fun!! Big Grin

If you have any problems you can make a posting about it and I'll give you a hand. Good luck!

- Wilder.Pilz - 17.05.2008

Thanks for the helping hand BigSilver

I know some times it can be very annoying to assemble a system, so i decieded to let the shop do it.
Althought it

- Lordofminor - 17.05.2008

Tell me how many casch you want to spend and i will post here link for your new PC ...

Could use Overclocking hints - basic starter setup - nearmiss - 24.05.2008

My new system is up and running.(at last)

I'm seeking some overclock advice and possible a basic setup to get started.

The system took awhile to build. One stick of Ram was bad and my monitor had issues that required sending it back for depot repair. It took several days to isolate the bad memory problem, because the problem was such that the system would not post or go into bios.

I'm not thinking rocket science. I'm thinking about using the tools I have in this new system that are designed for overclocking, but I'd like to maintain that ability without stretching the limits to damage of the system.

This kinda request is probably answered better on some overclocking forums, but most of them don't appear to have things mapped out for users. It's kind of a read 100 postings and take it on the chin if you screw up.

Currently, I'm using WINXP Pro SP 3 32 bit version

I do have Vista Ultimate (not installed) - thinking of a dual boot at this time.

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Motherboard: Abit
IP35 PRO
http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherbo ... YPE=LGA775
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Processor: Intel
Q6600 Quad
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CPU Cooler Fan: Arctic Cooling fan Pro 7
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/cpu2.php?idx=79&disc=
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Video Card:EVGA 8800GTS 512 KO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130337
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Memory:4 gigs Corsair XMS2
http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TWIN ... 0C4DHX.pdf
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PSU: Tagan 700Watt
http://www.tagan.com/index.php?c_id=32&; ... cata_id=66
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Computer Case: Antec 900
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15900
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Monitor: Acer x241W
24" LCD monitor
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- GentleKiller - 24.05.2008

i dont think that overcloking for the game will make much of a difference except the shortened life of a processor. also you want to overclock the ram at the same time.

- JAMF - 24.05.2008

First: PSU looks to be a reputable brand, so should be reliable and deliver stable voltages. (I prefer Seasonic myself and Corsair uses Seasonic as their PSUs supplier, which they then rebrand as theirs)

Second: Always monitor the temperature when OC'ing. AFAIK the Freezer 7 is a good performer in the HSF market, just not a top performer.

Third: You should be able to easily reach 3.2GHz without too much trouble. So with the CPU's multiplier at 9, your FSB would be close to 355MHz. (355x9=3.195Ghz) If your system becomes unstable during testing with benchmarks like 3DMark, Orthos or CPU-burn, you up the voltage on the CPU a bit. Always monitoring the temperatures.

Fourth: If you want to max your overall system, you should lower the multiplier to 8 first. That way you will reach the limit of your system without reachiong the limit of the CPU. With a multiplier of 8, your system should be able to run at 400MHz. (400x8=3.2GHz)

If you want to go higher, keep checking temperatures. System instability during overclock has in general 3 sources: PSU, Memory, CPU.

Still, if you screw up, it's you who takes it on the chin.

- GentleKiller - 24.05.2008

JAMF Wrote:First: PSU looks to be a reputable brand, so should be reliable and deliver stable voltages. (I prefer Seasonic myself and Corsair uses Seasonic as their PSUs supplier, which they then rebrand as theirs)

Second: Always monitor the temperature when OC'ing. AFAIK the Freezer 7 is a good performer in the HSF market, just not a top performer.

Third: You should be able to easily reach 3.2GHz without too much trouble. So with the CPU's multiplier at 9, your FSB would be close to 355MHz. (355x9=3.195Ghz) If your system becomes unstable during testing with benchmarks like 3DMark, Orthos or CPU-burn, you up the voltage on the CPU a bit. Always monitoring the temperatures.

Fourth: If you want to max your overall system, you should lower the multiplier to 8 first. That way you will reach the limit of your system without reachiong the limit of the CPU. With a multiplier of 8, your system should be able to run at 400MHz. (400x8=3.2GHz)

If you want to go higher, keep checking temperatures. System instability during overclock has in general 3 sources: PSU, Memory, CPU.

Still, if you screw up, it's you who takes it on the chin.

i totally agree with you on 4 things

yes when you overclock, you take chances that if your system goes untable, it sometimes will be like that for the rest of the computer life

- BigSilverHotdog - 24.05.2008

3.2ghz is a nice, safe number to shoot for with the Q6600. Most will do it easily, without too much of a voltage change. Run your memory in 1:1 (I think it is called sync mode on our board) so that it runs at 800 mhz when you set the motherboard front side bus (FSB) to 400. This way, with an 8x multiplier, you will end up with 3.2ghz (400x8 = 3200). You will need prime95 for stability testing (use SmallFFTs to test CPU stability, use spread to test memory stability) and make sure you have CPUZ ready to go as soon as you are in windows so you can verify your current settings. Don't be scared if windows locks up, blue screens, or fails to load when you are working with overclocking. As long as you have your cooling setup properly and you haven't accidentally ran the voltages way too high in the bios you will not damage anything.

Remember, because of vdroop (google it) the actual voltages you are giving your CPU will not match exactly what you have set up in the bios. It will usually start off a little bit less and then drop another fraction when under heavy load. This is normal, but it also means you must set the initial bios voltage a little higher to be stable through everything. If you want to go straight to 3.2 (which is quite safe, I've done it repeatedly on multiple IP35-PRO boards and Q6600s) start your CPU core voltage at 1.4 and run prime for a while to see if it is stable (changing the other things I mentioned earlier as well of course, multiplier, memory mode/voltage, etc). If you get no errors in 3-4 hours it is good to go. Make sure to monitor temps via HWMONITOR or a similar program. For the record I have run a Q6600 at 1.7v for 5 minutes and it did not damage it, this was with excellent air cooling, and merely for testing purposes. Under normal conditions you don't want to exceed 1.5v or so (in the BIOS, pre-vdroop) on air cooling.

If 1.4 gives you total system stability you can back off one step at a time in bios and keep testing until you get unstable, then go back up a notch. You'll get the hang of it, it is not difficult. Remember, also, to give your memory the voltage it needs. Look on the packaging, and follow what it says. Usually it won't lie to you (unless it says 1.8v and you've got 4 sticks, thats ridiculous).

I do not recommend overclocking your video card as it is a stock OC model and runs fairly warm anyway. Maybe in a year or two when you really need that extra boost.


More information:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... ?p=2236754

I have to go out tonight but I will be back around 9pm EST. If you private message me here on this forum I will be glad to give you my instant messenger information so you can get quick help if you need it.

Good luck!

Re: PC Setup - Wilder.Pilz - 06.06.2008

Wilder.Pilz Wrote:Hey to all Pilots

I ordered a new PC yesterday a want to let you guys know what this setup is made off.

I hope I did a investment in the future. After detailed reading in differnt kind of Forums I decided for this

Mobo: GigaByte GA-EX38-DS4, Intel X38, 1.600 MHz (MSI is also very interesstin!)
CPU: Q6600 and TMG i1 --> HotHotHot
GPU: Nvidia 8800GTX, 768MB, 384bit --> Same performance like the 9800ver.
Power: 550W --> more than enought, also if you want to overcklock your system
Ram: 4GB KingstonHyperX --> 3Gb is more than enought, but I want it BIG
500 GB Seagate, Giga GX-01B Big Tower + 5 fans for good ventilation (Big tower for good cooling performnace)

and no WinVista (noGo for me Smile )
I use a WinXP 64bit instead. Maybe I will switch some day to Vista, but sure not now!
i welcom all comments on this setup.
Maybe also an advise for people how plan to build up a new Pc System.
I will give a detailled briefing after the first test.


After two weeks my new PC did arrive.

The Setup is really nice and temps are very good. Because of my 5 Fans.

And this is first Problem!

How to reduce the RPm of the Fans? I tried some software stuff to reduce the RMP but this dident work. The always run full speed and this is loud. I expected that I can reduce the RMP of the two side fans.
Can some one please give me a hint what kind of software did work well for controll the Fans.
Or is a Fancontroll neccesary to run them on lower RPM.

Please help because at the moment I am sitting beside a hellmachien.
Cool but to much noise. Cant hear the tipping :?

- BigSilverHotdog - 06.06.2008

Not all motherboards support fan speed controls, you often need to buy a dedicated fan speed controller. PWM (pulse width modulation, I believe) mode is the most common, and they aren't expensive.

Good software to use if your motherboard does support fan speed controls is Speedfan.

- Wilder.Pilz - 06.06.2008

Hi BigSilver

Thx for your fast reply.
I tried to handle it with "Speedfan". But the software dont reduce the RMP.
Dont know why?
I try it again, and if not I defenetly need some kind of fan controll.

- BigSilverHotdog - 06.06.2008

If Speedfan cannot reduce RPM it usually means you need a fan speed controller. I highly recommend Zalman for this. They make a couple of very nice models, and are generally regarded as the best for this type of product.