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- Strafe - 08.05.2008

Some Engine Data:



Some gunnery info:

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- ROSOBORONEXPORTCORP - 08.05.2008

Apparently the rotary launcher damaged the airframe so a 12x210mm loadout is out of the question. If anyone wants to figure out how to drop bombs or fire rockets one at a time I suggest looking at the Do-335 class file (or contact me and I can explain it).

More on the Mg/Mk-213:
- It was planned to be mounted in turrets for long range bombers
- Some paper FW designs had been prepared in order to accept a new 30mm cannon
- A number of aircraft in the later night fighter competitions were also planned to mount such a weapon, here are two rare draings (Bv215 from Luft'46):
http://www.luft46.com/bv/215w-2.gif
http://www.luft46.com/bv/215w-4.gif

The Me-410 is a logical choice due to its high airframe mass and lack of syncronisation.
One of the things which surprised me most about this mod was how unimpressive the 213 is.

I do like the X-4 though (I'm not sure if/how the second crew member could have helped but the telescopic sight certainly does - especially against ground targets).

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- vanir - 09.05.2008

Hunin Wrote:I've decided to change the engines on the B series to DB 603Aa.
Just because the B was basicaly used in the destroyer role most of the time.
So high alt performence is where it's at.

For the D I'm still not sure whether or how to adjust things.
Your hypothesis about the different DB 603s perfectly matches my own.
With the D-15 and 152 beeing the definite new mainstays, I think even the 603E is a bit stretching.
What just crossed my mind was the probability of a Jumo 213.
With the Ju 388 out of the way ( basicaly a worse plane for all the jobs the 410s good for) and the Ta 152 H only beeing a secondary, suplemental fighter in the jet age, the 213 E-1 might be an option.
If not the E-1, then maybe the A-1...
Questions...questions...

A very nice choice in my opinion mate. From what I've read the D variant was earmarked for a wide variety of engine choices depending upon what would be immediately available once (if) it entered production. One of those choices was the JuMo with annular radiators specified and that would be a seriously interesting and unique look to the 410D model IMHO (could D-9 nose/nacelles be fitted to the 410D model?). Plus something interesting, heavy fighters which did make production sporting the JuMo 213 (such as the Ju-88G) were sometimes fitted with MW-50 boost too. The 213A should be readily available since the RLM was convinced to switch future 190D production to the 603 series engines and as you mentioned JuMo should be able to keep up with Ta-152H/213E production pretty easily...and twin engine requirements backed off in favour of BMW and DB engines.

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SC 1800 - dimlee - 09.05.2008

moving this to right thread

Hunin Wrote:

dimlee Wrote:Hunin,
did you consider SC 1800?
have to admit I can find no info about its usage in field units, but 1800 is mentioned often as one of proposed loadouts...

No we didnt.
What you have probably read is a statement about the B-5s maximum bombload, wich is often quoted
as beeing 1800 kgs.
Problem beeing that the maximum bomb the 410 could carry in the weapon bay was a specialized
SC 1000 and the ETC 50s under the fuselage could never carry a load of 800 kg.

someone published link on other thread to this book Me210(410) in Action (Sg.Signal, No.147).
p.34:

...these could include...a single SC 1800 bomb beneath the fuselage...


similar reference can be seen here(only Russian)
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/me410b.html
where it's said that internal fuel tank had to be removed to take SC1800 on.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/w ... me410.html
mentioned as option for experimental B-5 only.

but as said earlier, no information about combat usage has been found so far, therefore can't ask for SC1800...

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- Hunin - 09.05.2008

I see.
Thanks for sharing.
I think what we are looking at is indeed a secondary or experimental loadout using the changes brought to the airframe with the B-5.
Quite a few major parts are affected by the torpedo rack; both externaly under the fuselage and in the weapon bay.
I assume that the strong rack could also be used to carry a SC 1800 instead of the torpedo, wich would explain the mentioning of the SC 1800.

I will try to include this rare/experimental loadout in the next build.
Wether on both the B and the D I'm not sure.

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- vanir - 09.05.2008

The warbirds site lists armament options for the B-5 as including one SC-1800 or 2x BT-400 bomb-torpedos under the fuselage, or up to 4x BT-200 bomb-torpedos under the wings, if that helps any.

I edited a typo in my above post about the engine ideas too, being the annular radiators would be a feature of the D and not the B, which my typo might have confused me as trying to say. JuMo 213A or E on the 410D would be a ripper change, but the warbirds site also claims the DB engines if used in the D would have also been annular radiator, and this is apparently because of the change in wing design (deleting the underwing radiators for a cleaner airframe, also switching to wooden outer sections but there were problems with available adhesives at this stage in war torn Germany or something like that).

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Accurate cockpit for 410 available? - lordish2001 - 24.12.2009

I noticed that the cockpit in the Me 410 is correct in the Ultramod 1.8 version of IL-2.

Has an accurate cockpit for the AAA 1.2 universal set been made? I like the AAA version of IL-2 much better than the Ultramod and I'm really falling for the Hornisse. The Germans finally found their version of the Mosquito with this plane, not Kurt Tank's Ta 154 wooden fiasco.

lordish

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