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- THE ESCHATOLOGIST - 01.12.2008

Divine-wind Wrote:]
According to all these links, the Airacomet flew in 1942. Do you know when the P-51 and P-47 reached their prime? Or the late-war Spitfire models, the Tempest, etc? Tongue

Repeating what Radoye said:

The P-51B's first deliveries were made in 1942 and it could go 441mph. The earlier P-51A was doing 409mph.
Spitfire IX, also 1942, 408mph.
Typhoon IA (the older sibling of the Tempest) introduced in 1941, 405mph.
P-47B, introduced 1942, 429mph.

All single piston engined fighters available to Allied frontline operational units at the time of Airacomet's first flight. All in the same ballpark performance-wise with this twin-jet prototype. ....

- vanir - 02.12.2008

I've got a great book by I dunno, some NACA test pilot about the history of NACA and test piloting in general. Of course the Airacomet is featured (as is the P-80, did you know early engines had a habit of cutting the airframe in half when the turbine impellers let go...).

The Airacomet is a pivotal design, but it was never really intended for front line service (although Bell was hopeful for profits), as much as a development and conversion type. Those ordered were essentially used for jet conversion, by pilots who would fly the first operational US jet fighter, the P-80.

It is interesting to have one in IL2 certainly, but there was no way historically it was going to enter service.

wrt its performance, which was indeed marginal as a front line combat model, the engines were very low thrust (which like the Meteor and Me-262 necessitated a twin engine layout), but flying with the jet equivalent of a six cylinder development motor it instantly matched the performance of the best fighters in the world. This and the fact that early demonstrations were run with one engine (due to the unserviceability of the second), was the reason it impressed all who saw it. It was well understood the first jet fighter to actually enter service would be a far greater performer, if this hack was already as good as the best. The Airacomet was indeed the aircraft which initially served notice on all piston engine fighter development in the US.

Significant, but not a combat aircraft per se.

- Radoye - 02.12.2008

vanir Wrote:Significant, but not a combat aircraft per se.
Agreed.

It was somewhat akin to Gloster Whittle, or He-178, Caproni N.1 and other early jet testbeds. Important for their historical impact as pioneering aircraft, worthless as a military fighting machine.

Those P-59's that were produced - about 60 in total - ended their days being used as target drones.

- Radoye - 02.12.2008

VT-51_Razor Wrote:If it's a 1946 what if bird you're looking for, how about an F7F Tigercat? Or an F9F Panther? Or maybe the Douglas F3D Skynight?

...or F8F Bearcat, F-82 Twin Mustang, FR Fireball, F2R Darkshark, FH Phantom, F2H Banshee, FJ Fury, F6U Pirate, F-84 Thunderjet, F-9 Cougar, BTD Destroyer, AM Mauler, AD Skyraider, TB2D Skypirate, AF Guardian...

- Ingo777 - 02.12.2008

Yes. We have first russian(MiG 9) and german(Me-262)jet why nt the first american.

- Spartan10590 - 02.12.2008

We do, the P-80.

The P-59 never saw nor was it ever going to see combat, however I'm in no way against having it in game. In fact, I'd love to have it.

- Radoye - 02.12.2008

Ingo777 Wrote:Yes. We have first russian(MiG 9) and german(Me-262)jet why nt the first american.
No, we don't have the first German jets the He-178 and He-280. We do have the first operational german jet, and we do have the first operational US jet.

- Dr. Strangelove - 23.01.2009

Quote:Or maybe the Douglas F3D Skynight?

That looks familiar! [And by familiar I mean it is the A-6's father. (or mother, whichever you prefer)]

Thumbs up for the P-59 project.
If a modder wishes to work on an aircraft, who shall have the authority (or the nerve) to stop them? Modders work on their own accord, on their own time, and they do not force anyone to download their products. So, why would anyone discourage them? Look at what many of the 3rd party IL-2 developers made - awkward, not very useful aircraft (I-250). Feedback on the subject of modding another aircraft such as this is useful, but ultimately it is the modder's decision.

Just my two cents.

- CUJO_1970 - 23.01.2009

vampire_pilot Wrote:I don't agree - I would love it!

A milestone in aviation in the US.

Airacomet - bring it on!


+100

An historic aircraft that would be a very welcome addition to the sim.

- Eagle1Division - 24.01.2009

Whenever you say "never was"(in THIS case it's "was in service"), Remember that IL-2 1946 Is based on "never was". We all know WWII, personally I'm a fan of alternative histories, which is what IL-2 1946 is.

And just because it wasn't the fastest plane of the time isn't a reason not to add it :wink: .
Just because a jet doesn't mean it has to be the fastest or no add...

- Chaoic16 - 24.01.2009

Eagle1Division Wrote:Whenever you say "never was"(in THIS case it's "was in service"), Remember that IL-2 1946 Is based on "never was". We all know WWII, personally I'm a fan of alternative histories, which is what IL-2 1946 is.

And just because it wasn't the fastest plane of the time isn't a reason not to add it :wink: .
Just because a jet doesn't mean it has to be the fastest or no add...

Agreed!

+1

Smile


Chaoic out...

- MrGoldfinger - 11.07.2009

Two Bombers:

Another great idea is to mod a Heinkel He-343 Jetbomber... if we talking about "what if" in 1946.
It was the powerfully follower/ addition of the Ar-234 and Heinkel was still working on this project.

Btw.: Horten brothers began to planed their big Bomber, the Ho XVIII, in the last days of war - Hermann Goering personally, gives the order to build a prototyp, as fast as possible.
A firstflight of this aircraft was planed in 1946-47.

- lordish2001 - 27.09.2009

The P-59 isn't a good idea because it was as Hap Arnold put it, "No Damn Good." You can see why if you look at the size and the thickness of the wing. It looked more like the Armstrong Whitworth Whitley scaled down to fighter size. It's a flying barn door.

I'd like to see the F9F-8 Cougar, the swept wing version of the Panther in which to take on Mig 15's. The Navy's version of the F-86, the FJ-2 to Fj-6 Fury are good choices too.

Brit planes should be the Gloster Meteor (why they left that out of the original game perplexes me), the DeHaviland DH-108 Vampire, and don't forget the great Hawker Hunter, with more concentrated firepower than any other plane of the 50's 4 30mm Aden cannons and the looks and performance of a VERY souped up Sabre. There is also the Folland Gnat, that the Indians used to great advantage against Pakistan in the 50's. It has the better performance than the F-86 and it literally HALF the Sabre's size. (The Gnat starred in the movies Hot Shot, and Hot Shot Part Deux) Lastly, possibly the greatest of all this generation of aircraft, the Mig-17, many of which are still in service today.

The present Sabre (XP-86) flight model needs to be updated as soon as possible. The simulation looks great but is a real dog to fly. The Cougar is probably a quick adaptation from the Panther AND I think someone could graft the NEW F-86's onto the Panther but with higher weights and stall speeds.

lordish