New level of realism cartridges flying from a mg of a bomber - Printable Version

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- nuk3m - 24.06.2009

HolyGrail Wrote:

nuk3m Wrote:i was teling me a few days ago of a mod that u were working on it...did u post some mod in the 3 4 lates days? cuz i've saw a new mod poested but i don't remember if it was new and lost the link...
did u made a new mod of effects or something
thx..
ysy

Oh , yeah , it was released new updated latest effects mod version :
00_AircraftGroundAdditionalEffects_June22
Nothing else , just this mod.
(The link is inoperative)

S! HG

AAA superb it was this one! that i've saw it but excuse me i have some prb's i'm forgeting things very fast..so that's why...i hope u will understand me..i'm not stupid is that when i'm tired my brain forget's everything...
I can't wait to try it..it will be for sure a very good mod..like the others as well that u had made until now!
Thx very much HG...!
good night...here in italy is 3 o'clock in the morning....hhhee i'm nearly going in stand by mode)))
bye ciao

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- Bearcat - 24.06.2009

I always thought that the casings in the guns on the bombers.. the American ones at least... remained inside the AC.

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- US_GRANT - 24.06.2009

nuk3m Wrote:

PDelaney Wrote:

US_GRANT Wrote:I need some info. The MG being used; is that an MG32 or MG42? is the double canister a double FEED canister or is one side filled with the ammo belt and the other side used to catch the empty shells and feed belt? I remember being on a TDY to Denmark one year and the Danes used the German made MG42 that fired 50 round belts. The belt links were wired together and did not come apart like their American counterparts. When fired, the belt fed in from the left and exited from the right with the spent casings.

Possibly an MG15 with a 75 round saddle drum magazine used in nearly all Luftwaffe aircraft? The magazine was quite complicated as the 7.92 rounds fed alternately from both sides dropping into the bolt from the top of the receiver the spent cases exiting at the bottom (like a lewis, vickers k or bren gun).
You would, however, probably see the odd spent case seemingly fly from the side of the gun...
The MG15 (developed in 1915) had a detachable copper bowl or tube to catch spent cases when used in WW1 aircraft as there were plenty of exposed control wires that could be fouled.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_15_machine_gun

http://www.pbase.com/ouroboris/he111

I know that in the he111 2 they've mounted the mg34..and then they've made the he111 6 were they've mounted the mg 42 that were much more accurate and having much more fire power..

I thought about that with the casings flying from the bottom of the weapon. Still, the casing you see in the video now look like the odd casing just bouncing off the inside of the plane as it comes out. Still looks cool. The .50 cals in the american bombers spewed expended casing all over the inside of the plane. I've seen pics and vids of the gunners standing on piles of them while shooting. And those planes still had exposed control cables. I'd hate to have to pick up all that spent brass after flight.

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- rossmum - 25.06.2009

nuk3m Wrote:

US_GRANT Wrote:I need some info. The MG being used; is that an MG32 or MG42? is the double canister a double FEED canister or is one side filled with the ammo belt and the other side used to catch the empty shells and feed belt? I remember being on a TDY to Denmark one year and the Danes used the German made MG42 that fired 50 round belts. The belt links were wired together and did not come apart like their American counterparts. When fired, the belt fed in from the left and exited from the right with the spent casings.

yes u are right i play Red Orchestra online and there they have some very acurate and historical weapons including the mg 42 and mg34 but both versions the cartriges were on the ground when i was leaving so when i've done that video i thougted that the cartriges are exiting from the right side..

The casings eject vertically downwards in both the 34 and 42, only the belt links eject out of the right. If you turn it over, you'll see the dust flap for the ejection port on the bottom of the receiver.

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- nuk3m - 25.06.2009

rossmum Wrote:

nuk3m Wrote:

US_GRANT Wrote:I need some info. The MG being used; is that an MG32 or MG42? is the double canister a double FEED canister or is one side filled with the ammo belt and the other side used to catch the empty shells and feed belt? I remember being on a TDY to Denmark one year and the Danes used the German made MG42 that fired 50 round belts. The belt links were wired together and did not come apart like their American counterparts. When fired, the belt fed in from the left and exited from the right with the spent casings.

yes u are right i play Red Orchestra online and there they have some very acurate and historical weapons including the mg 42 and mg34 but both versions the cartriges were on the ground when i was leaving so when i've done that video i thougted that the cartriges are exiting from the right side..

The casings eject vertically downwards in both the 34 and 42, only the belt links eject out of the right. If you turn it over, you'll see the dust flap for the ejection port on the bottom of the receiver.

yeah maybe u are right but anyhow at the moment... i didn't thought to much...but maybe in the future i will look for historical precision,.,

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- rossmum - 25.06.2009

I know I'm right, mate - I've personally seen one and had a good look underneath (I used to think it ejected out the side too). They have both a 34 and 42 at the Lithgow SAF, and sure enough, the dust covers are underneath.

There should be some videos of them being fired floating about Youtube which show it well. The casings come out from underneath while the belt links simply run right through the MG, coming out in long chains for ease of reloading. They had some sort of hand-cranked device which would reload an expended belt quickly and easily.

Not sure what other MGs eject downwards, but I know they do - I also know the MG34 can be fed from either side, the MG42 cannot.

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- nuk3m - 25.06.2009

rossmum Wrote:I know I'm right, mate - I've personally seen one and had a good look underneath (I used to think it ejected out the side too). They have both a 34 and 42 at the Lithgow SAF, and sure enough, the dust covers are underneath.

There should be some videos of them being fired floating about Youtube which show it well. The casings come out from underneath while the belt links simply run right through the MG, coming out in long chains for ease of reloading. They had some sort of hand-cranked device which would reload an expended belt quickly and easily.

Not sure what other MGs eject downwards, but I know they do - I also know the MG34 can be fed from either side, the MG42 cannot.

I prefer the mg42 in red orchestra when the barrel gets hot the weapon is not anymore accurate and u can change it...in the mg 34 it doesn't have this tipe of posibility...i'm from romania and near my city there is a forest when in ww2 cruel battles were fought and from then nothing got out from there every time it is raining..u can clearly see the trenches barelles of mg and very much amo...
This summer i want to dig in the garden of my uncle cuz he said that there in ww2 a tiger tank was hidden for an ambush but then left there so i'm pretty curius if it is there...at least some pieces...

look at these pic a box found in finland...i think is amazing!!!!

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- rossmum - 25.06.2009

The 34 can change barrels, unless they somehow broke it in a recent update. :X

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