[MOD] *NEW* Slot A/C & Wpn (Fw-190F-8 & G-8) (8.0) - Printable Version

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- Goblin - 18.08.2009

Thank you for the mod Danzi, only problem I've this plane shown in game WITHOUT CANOPY :-?

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- I/KG26_Oranje - 18.08.2009

Thnx for the mod , this brings the groundatack part for the Axis to a higer level.
Buht.... sorry , have u update the tailwiel to for the torpedo and big bombs versian?
Like this 190A-5.



p.s. found a good side with lots of info on sub type`s and some nice picture`s.

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/index.html

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

Goblin Wrote:Thank you for the mod Danzi, only problem I've this plane shown in game WITHOUT CANOPY :-?

Please take alook at my mod 7.0 thread at http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19058

There may be a conflicting mod... not sure why because I have all the mods installed and it seems to work ok on my PC... does the original F-8 show that behavior? what mods do you have?

hope you get it going...

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

I/KG26_Oranje Wrote:Thnx for the mod , this brings the groundatack part for the Axis to a higer level.
Buht.... sorry , have u update the tailwiel to for the torpedo and big bombs versian?
Like this 190A-5.

unfortunately i am not a graphics designer... so i am afraid we'll have to pretend just a bit to use this mod... i hope that is acceptable.

the good news is that even with the larger bombs or the torpedo, they do not touch the floor.

the reality is that for large loads and torp, there would have to be a new design for the back wheel.

but if you play from cockpit only, that should not be an issue

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- Alban - 18.08.2009

Hi, great series folks, how about the various Spitfire configurations, Spits carried 60 lb rockets also 4 cannon in some versions, others conversely were stripped of the 303's as a feild modification and left with only the two 20mm to lighten them. There vere all the recce versions lightend no armour no self sealing tanks and went like the clappers but with no guns. They were based on the various versions in service as fighters so should be easy to mod.



Great work and thanks
Alban

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

Davidson Wrote:Thank you very much!!
8.0 wow! It never ends!!

no it doesn't... i have a request list a mile long plus the ones i was going to work on anyway...

ouch... too much work

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

HansHansen Wrote:WOW thank you!! :thumbsup:

lets test the needed runway, by the way, wich is the heaviest loadout?

so we are at least ready for some bombpower :guncool:

SC1800, although 14x21cm rockets plus droptank or 250Kg may be heavier

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

jeanba Wrote:Danzigzag

I have a slightly off topic request :
Would it be possible to have a bomber version (ie bomb carrying) of the ju-52.
It would be very nice for Spanish Civil War maps, now that the 109B and early I16S are available

early ju-52 bombers would require a lot more graphic design than i am experienced with, which at the moment is right around ... uh... zero....

seriously, i'd love to do it, but you are talking about a movind turret in the ventral part plus designing bombay, etc.... it is actually a lot of work that i don't think i can do with programming alone....

i mean i could, but it would not be very nice... a alpha/pre-beta at the highest...

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

Alban Wrote:Hi, great series folks, how about the various Spitfire configurations, Spits carried 60 lb rockets also 4 cannon in some versions, others conversely were stripped of the 303's as a feild modification and left with only the two 20mm to lighten them. There vere all the recce versions lightend no armour no self sealing tanks and went like the clappers but with no guns. They were based on the various versions in service as fighters so should be easy to mod.



Great work and thanks
Alban

if you can give me a detailed list of features with some references, i can put it on my list of to do's... but it may take a while...

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

Kennel Wrote:Brilliant work, finally the Luftwaffe has a jabo using air to ground rockets, will your mods be avail in AAA installer 1.2?

oops, forgot to request my mods number 7 & 8 to Monguse... they do not require new button files...

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- Zorin - 18.08.2009

You are apparently not aware that the maximum payload for the Fw190 was 1000kg. So a single LT F 5b torpedo, with new tail wheel, a single SB 1000 or PC1000RS (check D-13 for both) is the absolute limit.

Besides, there could only be two 300l droptanks be carried due to internal restrictions.

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- danzigzag - 18.08.2009

Zorin Wrote:You are apparently not aware that the maximum payload for the Fw190 was 1000kg. So a single LT F 5b torpedo, with new tail wheel, a single SB 1000 or PC1000RS (check D-13 for both) is the absolute limit.

Besides, there could only be two 300l droptanks be carried due to internal restrictions.

Zorin, not entirely true.

Yes, that is true for the A series, and D, but not F and G series, I'll quote and post pics later. The F and G series had reinforced structure and landing gear specifically for larger loads. Early G-series specifically were created to carry SC1800 (1800Kg).

In the end of the war the F-8s were flown with SC1800 for operations against bridges.

I cannot back up the 3 drop tank option, but all three pylons were "wet", and could carry either center, or two wing ones.

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- Alban - 18.08.2009

Hi. RE Spit armament give me a few days I'll get back to you when I've had a scrounge round the internet etc. Im not a specialist aircraft buff, but picked the Spit armament stuf up in general reading.

Cheers
Alban

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- ROSOBORONEXPORTCORP - 18.08.2009

hock:

Thanks

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- danzigzag - 19.08.2009

danzigzag Wrote:

Zorin Wrote:You are apparently not aware that the maximum payload for the Fw190 was 1000kg. So a single LT F 5b torpedo, with new tail wheel, a single SB 1000 or PC1000RS (check D-13 for both) is the absolute limit.

Besides, there could only be two 300l droptanks be carried due to internal restrictions.

Zorin, not entirely true.

Yes, that is true for the A series, and D, but not F and G series, I'll quote and post pics later. The F and G series had reinforced structure and landing gear specifically for larger loads. Early G-series specifically were created to carry SC1800 (1800Kg).

In the end of the war the F-8s were flown with SC1800 for operations against bridges.

I cannot back up the 3 drop tank option, but all three pylons were "wet", and could carry either center, or two wing ones.

Zorin,

I'd hate to release bogus info, so I thought I'd explain my mod. I thought the narrative in the original post and references would suffice, but hey, here it goes.

The references could be all wrong, but that is where I am basing my research, and unless I have other proof, I don't think the mod is unreasonable. What you said is totally true for the A series, but A does not equal F or G, although they are based on the A series.

You can definitely find a plethora of stuff in the Internet, such as at http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/w ... fw190.html

I see you may be using the Object Viewer Reference that states "Technically there is no problem for a FW-190F-8 to carry a 1000 kg SC or SD bomb. However, there is a tactical restriction. The FW 190 is limited to a take-off weight of 5,200kg for a front line airfield, for reasons of ground clearance. With a normally loaded FW 190 F8, a 1,000kg bomb would be over that limit." The key here is "Front Line Airfield". The end of war F and G series did operate from some paved areas (even if they were hidden in between trees), which the clearance would not be a problem. According to this 1000Kg would be a problem, but yet there is plenty of evidence that the F and Gs did carry 1000K bombs.

Now here are some quick references for the above 1000Kg threshold, which were my reasoning for the loads:

Jane's Fighting Aircraft of World War Two, pg 165:
"A further off-shoot of the Fw 190A, the G was used mainly as a fighter-bomber. It could carry a 3,960lb (1,800 kg.) bomb, although the 1,100lb. (500kg.) or 2,200 lb. (100 kg.) was the more normal load."

Gunston's & Woods "Hitler's Luftwaffe", pg 165 (yeah, what are the odds of same pages?):
"The G was another important series of fighter/dive bombers, which actually preceded the F. The G-0 carried the SC 1000 bomb or 2,000 lb (1000kg), but the G-1 introduced a strengthened landing gear and other structural changes which permitted the carriage of the Luftwaffe's largest bomb, the SC 1800 weighting 3,968lb (1800kg). This formidable weapon had to have its lower fins cropped to give adequate ground clearance, and it was an impressive technical achievement to clear for routine operational use such as heavy store on a small fighter (one of the smallest in World War II) based on unpaved forward airstrips. Many other G sub types- carries very heavy weapon loads, some having a lengthened tailwheel yoke to hold the fuselage more level to provide clearance for a 198 Imp gal torpedo-shaped drop tank; this worked perfectly, whereas Messerchmitt and Skoda wasted so much time with strange long rear wheels under the mid-fuselage before accepting the same simple solution. The Fw 190F incorporated all the structural strengthening of the G, as well as (usually) a new bulged canopy giving better view in the attacks on surface targets."

Grinsell & Watanabe's "Focke-Wulf Fw190", pg 509 (within super book "The Great Book of World War II Airplanes"):
"The F-8 was proposed for three different models of factory installed conversions. The first, the Fw 190F-8/U1, was similar in design to the basic Fw 190A-8/U1 in that it was a two seat training aircraft; however, it was never built. The Fw 190F-8/U2 and Fw 190F-8/U3 were designed to carry a center mounted torpedo bomb which could be used against both shipping and hardened ground targets. The U2 would carry the 700 kg (1,543 lb) BT 700 (Bomben-Torpedo) while the U3 would mount the 1400 kg (3,086 lb) BT 1,400."

"Both aircraft were fitted with an elongated tailwheel similar to those incorporated on the Fw 190A-5/U14. This added height at the aft end of the aircraft and, coupled with the foldable tail fins (used for flight stability) of the torpedo bombs, provided for more than adequate take-off clearance. Several of these torpedo aircraft were fabricated and assigned to KG200 (the all purpose, and somewhat secretive, bomber and special unit of the Luftwaffe)."

Green's "Warplanes of the Third Reich", pg 209 and pg 211:
"The Fw 190F-8/U2 with its BT 700 and the Fw 190F-8/U3 with its BT 1400 [note: 1400kg] were tested at the Waffenprufplatz at Hexengrund in August 1944 with considerable success, the weapons being dropped over both water and soft soil, it being proposed that the BT should also be used against heavily-fortified land targets. Although production of the BT series of weapons was only in its initial stages, pilots from I/NSG 5 were trained in the use of the 441-lb. BT 200, the 882-lb. BT 400 and the 1,543-lb. BT 700, and, equipped with the Fw 190F-8, this unit was redesignated III/KG200 in November 1944, although, on orders from Goering, remained under the General der Schlachtflieger."

"G-series aircraft were tested with various experimental weapons, including the BV 246 Hagelkorn glider bomb and the SB 800 RS Kurt rolling mine-bomb, tests with the later being carried out at the Waffenprufplatz at Leba in Pomerania during 1944. The Fw 190G saw limited service with 2,205-lb SB1000 and SC1000 bombs, but the largest weapon to be delivered by G-series was the 3,968-lb. SC 1800 which, in February and March 1945, was carried by Fw 190G-1s of NSG 20 for use against bridge targets. Fitted with special tyres and with much standard equipment removed, the SC 1800-equipped Fw 190 G-1s demanded a take-off run at least 1,300 yards, and on March 7, NSG 20 employed the SC 1800 in an attempt to destroy the vital Remagen Bridge. With the phasing out of Fw 190G production in February 1944, replacement aircraft were provided by modifying Fw 190F-8s at forward maintenance units."

Donald mentions on page 75 of "Warplanes of the Luftwaffe" the specific capability of the early 190F series to "carry the 1000-kg (2,205-lb) bomb plus two 50kg (110-lb) fragmentation bombs."

Now, as I mentioned before, I did not see 3x droptanks anywhere (outside of knowing that both the wing racks and the central pylon could be used for droptanks), I added that on my own, for "what if" scenarios (IL-2 does include the Ta-183, right?).

However, as a result of this, I found out that through the IL-2 Object Viewer, the F-8 apparently carried SC70s as well, something that I did not see in any other source (written or photo) outside of the text viewer... and I got more books than most normal people, plus I have some other sources. Perhaps I'll go back and add another 50 or so load outs to this mod with those as well... that would be a lot of work.

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