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- Aza-Industries - 14.02.2010
Murilo Specht Wrote:Aza-Industries Wrote:AIRdomination Wrote:aviatorsneah Wrote:"beginners may prefer a gamepad, but the real action is on computers."
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But seriously who ever thought otherwise?
A lot of kids do think otherwise.
My PS3 and XBOX 360 pwns y0ur lame slo compoter any dai, Pcs suck onl'y n3rds use them! r3al gam3rs use consoles. I'll do 1on 1 with U on MW2 and pWn you n00b.
P.S. I'm joking..
- David603 - 14.02.2010
Aza-Industries Wrote:True, but the problem with the Il2 engine is not that current PCs can't provide enough power, the issue is that the Il2 engine is only using a small proportion on the CPU power available to it, and only a couple of percentage points of what the GPU of a modern graphics card can offer. To make things worse the Il2 engine is not designed for multi-core proccessors, so a lot of the advances made in computing since its release are completely wasted on Il2.aviatorsneah Wrote:=AVG=Rall Wrote:What kind of computer set up will we need to handel SOW?
im guessing not much more than what people are already running IL2 on. SOW is a completely new engine...should be a lot more efficient than IL2 while yielding a lot better graphics.
Well its more efficient but it still uses quite a bit more power then IL2.
For instance if you can barely run IL2 on perfect settings you might be able to play SOW only lower settings.
They wouldn't make an engine that uses similar power to IL2 because it was made for way older PCs, this is a major installment to the series after all.
Personally I'm not expecting SoW to need anything extravagant to run it, because Oleg's team is apparently using 2GB RAM Dual Core PCs with 512mb graphics cards to run SoW, so anyone with a more powerful PC than that shouldn't run into any problems come September.
- Aza-Industries - 14.02.2010
David603 Wrote:Aza-Industries Wrote:True, but the problem with the Il2 engine is not that current PCs can't provide enough power, the issue is that the Il2 engine is only using a small proportion on the CPU power available to it, and only a couple of percentage points of what the GPU of a modern graphics card can offer. To make things worse the Il2 engine is not designed for multi-core proccessors, so a lot of the advances made in computing since its release are completely wasted on Il2.aviatorsneah Wrote:=AVG=Rall Wrote:What kind of computer set up will we need to handel SOW?
im guessing not much more than what people are already running IL2 on. SOW is a completely new engine...should be a lot more efficient than IL2 while yielding a lot better graphics.
Well its more efficient but it still uses quite a bit more power then IL2.
For instance if you can barely run IL2 on perfect settings you might be able to play SOW only lower settings.
They wouldn't make an engine that uses similar power to IL2 because it was made for way older PCs, this is a major installment to the series after all.
Personally I'm not expecting SoW to need anything extravagant to run it, because Oleg's team is apparently using 2GB RAM Dual Core PCs with 512mb graphics cards to run SoW, so anyone with a more powerful PC than that shouldn't run into any problems come September.
Yes but at what settings. :roll:
- David603 - 17.02.2010
Aza-Industries Wrote:Yes but at what settings. :roll:So what? I know a lot of PC gamers have an obsession with being able to run games at Max settings, but even on the lowest settings SoW is going to look a whole load better than Il2 1946, so if Oleg chooses to release SoW with a Max settings requirement that even the best PCs today can't handle, then I will quite happily play it with whatever settings I can get a steady framerate on.
- Aza-Industries - 17.02.2010
David603 Wrote:Aza-Industries Wrote:Yes but at what settings. :roll:So what? I know a lot of PC gamers have an obsession with being able to run games at Max settings, but even on the lowest settings SoW is going to look a whole load better than Il2 1946, so if Oleg chooses to release SoW with a Max settings requirement that even the best PCs today can't handle, then I will quite happily play it with whatever settings I can get a steady framerate on.
Not necessarily just because it's way better looking at normal settings doesn't mean low setting will look better then IL2. Some games low settings make games virtually unplayable.
IL-2 1946 on highest settings has very clean and effective graphics.
SOW at lowest settings might make you look at it and think it's ugly.
Its hard to explain but here's an example..
I love playing Quake 3 and I still do, It hasn't got the best graphics at all..
I love playing UT2004 but if you turn the settings to the lowest (or even mid) I can't stand to play it, even though it still has good graphics.
Games are meant to be played on at least normal settings. The low settings are just for people who aren't really into gaming and are trying it out for a bit (and people who can't afford a mid range pc)
EDIT: Oh and back on the original topic.. I doubt it will use minimal resources, and if it does it won't look like half the videos/images you have seen of it, and will probably have reduced realism so there's less processing.
If its going to look and play as good as some of the videos suggest your only going to get near that with a decent PC.
EDIT 2: Another thing I might add is a simpler version of what I was trying to say earlier...
An old game at max settings looks better then a new game at minimal settings. IMO...
- David603 - 17.02.2010
Well, you do have a point there, texture compression and short draw distances can make a new game look very ugly on min specs, but look at what the devs of Wings of Prey did with an updated version of the Il2 engine. Sure, not everyone likes the graphical style they went for, but it makes Il2 1946 really look its age, and you only need 1GB RAM and a 256mb graphics card to run that (2GB/512mb for recommended specs, and 3GB/1GB for Max), and it can cope with a lot more detail, much higher res textures, and a host of new graphical effects while still maintaining a steady framerate.
Honestly, I doubt Oleg is going to be aiming for people with low spec computers, he is looking at the flight sim market and most people here will have at least a mid range PC, so even if he put 2GB RAM/512mb graphics card as the minimum specs he should still be able to get good graphics out of that, without having to compromise on realism.
- Axial - 17.02.2010
Case in point: Microsoft Flight Simulator X.
- Aza-Industries - 17.02.2010
David603 Wrote:Well, you do have a point there, texture compression and short draw distances can make a new game look very ugly on min specs, but look at what the devs of Wings of Prey did with an updated version of the Il2 engine. Sure, not everyone likes the graphical style they went for, but it makes Il2 1946 really look its age, and you only need 1GB RAM and a 256mb graphics card to run that (2GB/512mb for recommended specs, and 3GB/1GB for Max), and it can cope with a lot more detail, much higher res textures, and a host of new graphical effects while still maintaining a steady framerate.Yeh. Though I've gotten use to ignoring game specification recommendations because they have never really been right. Most the time there either way low or sometimes even to high, though this was only the case when I was buying a lot more pc games at least a year ago I don't know if they have improved these days.
Honestly, I doubt Oleg is going to be aiming for people with low spec computers, he is looking at the flight sim market and most people here will have at least a mid range PC, so even if he put 2GB RAM/512mb graphics card as the minimum specs he should still be able to get good graphics out of that, without having to compromise on realism.
But yeh basically in most cases minimal specs would never run the game that is suggesting them. Unless you have a perfectly set up PC which is optimized very good.
Which I do nowadays because I've come a long way in computer operations.
What they fail to realized (IMO) is that lots of the users won't be any good at maintaining an optimized PC like they are (they make games for a living of course there good at it).
E.G. Nearly every computer I had to repair where I work was because the users say "It's running slow" or something like that, And in nearly every case it was because they had built up so much malware and trial/shareware software that it was slowing down the PC.
There are so many factors it would take forever to list them. One thing I can guarantee is that if an average user had the same gear I have they would have nowhere near the same performance my PC does.
And I don't mean just because of overclocking.
- Fireskull - 17.02.2010
Yup, here I go again, tossing my little pebbles into the mix.
The communication is much appreciated. One thing about AAA here, the site is dominated by bright youth. Flight simulation enthusiasts, and IL-2 ones in particular, are the brightest of the bright. They are very sensitive to issues in general. You can be sure to continue to receive very valuable insight into the market demand here. However, the quality and the type of information that you post will directly effect what you receive.
We have a saying in the West: Minds are like computers; you get what you put into it. If you put garbage into it, then garbage is what will you will get from it. The same is true from your market. If you structure the type and format of the information in a very market research way, you will get very valuable insight into what the market wants. You will then be able to create and package a product with huge response and popularity.
Here is an opportunity of a lifetime for you guys to know your market firsthand. It might only last for a time and then be gone forever if you fail to connect with your market in solid integration.
Do not be afraid of integration with the modding community. We are with you. We are somewhat like rascals but not your enemy. We want to be allied with you.
The sky is the limit with the benefits of thoughtfully allowing us to help you.
Me, personally-I will give Storm of War very much free advertising if you deliver on your promises.
- Aza-Industries - 17.02.2010
All discussion aside....
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!
I'm even going to put some money aside in a special jar just for this game! but not just any money.. 5c coins! =D
What's great is I have no doubt I can run it at max settings
:wink: .Edit: Man waiting is boring... lol
- Fireskull - 17.02.2010
Aza-Industries Wrote:All discussion aside....
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!
I'm even going to put some money aside in a special jar just for this game! but not just any money.. 5c coins! =D
At least I have no doubt I can run it at max setting 8).
He-He! I'm gonna save every type of coin, bill, scrap metal, and hold a can on the street! I'm gonna have a veeeeery powerful PC tailored to Storm of War!
This simulation will be many times more popular than IL-2 and might literally alter the course of future events in many unforeseen ways.
I predict that Storm of War shall make history!
- Aza-Industries - 18.02.2010
Fireskull Wrote:Aza-Industries Wrote:All discussion aside....
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!
I'm even going to put some money aside in a special jar just for this game! but not just any money.. 5c coins! =D
At least I have no doubt I can run it at max setting 8).
He-He! I'm gonna save every type of coin, bill, scrap metal, and hold a can on the street! I'm gonna have a veeeeery powerful PC tailored to Storm of War!
This simulation will be many times more popular than IL-2 and might literally alter the course of future events in many unforeseen ways.
I predict that Storm of War shall make history!
It's what you do with it that counts, lots of people these days always think they need the top of the range gear to play games at high settings.
Sure you will need that if you don't know how to optimize and maintain your computer, and most computers I've had to repair at work were slowed down by so much toolbars/malware/shareware that the user had installed that once I had cleaned it up they ran waaay faster.
For instance I only have an E8400 3ghz and an ATI HD4850 and I can run crysis on max settings with a resolution of 1920x1200 and get a solide 40fps. Everyone seems to think you need like 4870x2 and quad core to do that.
A real pro user wouldn't waste money on stuff like that. And yet lots of people do and think there all technical and stuff just because they spent so much money on pointless gear.
EDIT: the only reason you should get gear like that is:
A. You have plenty of money to waste.
B. You do a lots of media work (editing movies/CGI/ect...)
- Axial - 18.02.2010
Fireskull Wrote:Aza-Industries Wrote:All discussion aside....
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!
I'm even going to put some money aside in a special jar just for this game! but not just any money.. 5c coins! =D
At least I have no doubt I can run it at max setting 8).
He-He! I'm gonna save every type of coin, bill, scrap metal, and hold a can on the street! I'm gonna have a veeeeery powerful PC tailored to Storm of War!
This simulation will be many times more popular than IL-2 and might literally alter the course of future events in many unforeseen ways.
I predict that Storm of War shall make history!
You know what else would be interesting? Throwing a Headplay into the mix and using it in combination with a TrackIR (or Freetrack, if you use that).
- Trooper117 - 18.02.2010
Well, instead of supposition and quess work.. because thats all that anyone can summise at the moment.. lets try something new, wait till it comes out, has a chance to be thoroughly reviewed and tested, then make assumptions based on fact and choose settings, new pc's or system components to suit... :mrgreen:
RE: Aza-Industries - Fireskull - 18.02.2010
Hi, bro.
Given-what you wrote-and they are current circumstances for many. I have a Dual Core laptop that is a model almost three years old and I get fantastic image quality with enough FPS. I do not need any more than 40 - 60 FPS which is typical for me, though I do sometimes see around 100 FPS. I have an AMD CPU and nVidia GPU.
With Storm of War, I predict a heavier demand. The data demand with SoW and all the many additional things which are to be added later :wink: will require more than the equipment that most of us have now.
We will see beyond the next generation of 3D motion graphics with SoW. I will be ready for things a few years in the future with my powerful new rig to be bought in a few months.
