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- HH_Cipher - 02.03.2010

vzka Wrote:Don t forget The Tempest, it s a beast !!!

+1, one over looked plane. Tempest is one of the best high speed fighters I know.

- _VR_Aristo - 02.03.2010

HH_Cipher Wrote:+1, one over looked plane. Tempest is one of the best high speed fighters I know.

One of the fastest piston engined fighters of the war. Two of them had even seen to chase, catch and shoot down an Me-262!

Aristo

- Axial - 02.03.2010

I'm going to agree on the Tempest. That's the only Allied plane I can fly as well as my favoured Axis planes, partly because it is very good in a dive. My list would have to be the following:

1. Messerschmitt Bf.109 G-10 with C3
2. Hawker Tempest Mk. V 13lbs.
3. Curtiss P-40M
4. P-51D
5. Focke-Wulf Ta.152 H-1

Bf. 109 is in first because not only can it dive well, but it is very good at recovering. The Mustang, by contrast, has a hard time getting back up to where it started in my experience because of its high stall speed. The P-40 is a solid No. 3 because I've always been able to rely on using its dive to escape otherwise certain death by Bf. 109s and Fw. 190s, and then using its excellent manoeuverability in the vertical and horizontal axes to get into a good firing position. The Ta.152 is in a class of its own. It's at the bottom because you have to be at 8000m or you rip the long wings off due to the thicker air.

- CzechTexan - 02.03.2010

The Vultee Vengeance, though not in this sim, was arguably the best dive bomber ever. It's wing design has a zero degree of incidence allowing it to have a true vertical dive. It was very successful in Burma with the RAF bombing with pinpoint accuracy.

As for the Pe-2, I've never had any problems with the wings coming off. It seems to be strong and stable in a dive when its dive brakes are used.

- _VR_Aristo - 03.03.2010

There are a number of posts about it here now, so I'm going to write what I think;
To call dive bombers a "good diving" plane is a little extreme. Since what I believe we're talking here is the performance of a plane on very high speeds without breaking or attaining that very high speeds quickly. The design philosophy behind dive-bombers is not the "performance" per se, but how long it can carry out the dive and how accurate it is. As a consequence almost all of the dedicated dive-bombers have dive brakes installed, to keep the aircraft slow on a dive and give the pilot optimum chance for a successful hit. Most of the dive-bombers' "never exceed speed" is lower than most of the fighter planes' level cruise speed we're talking about here.
As in the Vultee Vengeance(A-31), the wings had a zero angle of incidence not because it was designed to dive fast, but because by diving at 90 degrees, it was designed to dive "accurate", to eliminate the "tracking" in a dive to be more precise. But this design had a side effect of a high "nose-up" level flight attitude which made it very uncomfortable for the pilots to fly it during level flight and landings. As a matter of fact this design was "corrected" on the new A-35 which was an improved version of the A-31.

So maybe dive bombers aren't exactly what we're looking for here. Heck! the guy even said; "what other fighter planes are excellent in the vertical?"
Maybe read the posts, too next time. Not just the headline...
Thought I should mention that.

Aristo

- BillSwagger - 03.03.2010

In no particular order, i think these planes have the better dive accelerations in game. Diving between 20-45 degrees.
Seems to make a bigger difference than top dive speed.

Fw190
P-40
F4U
P-51
109

At extended steeper dives from 60-90 degrees the top dive speeds go to:

P-47
Tempest
Macchi
P-51
fw190


Being that the Fw190 and P-51 are on both lists i would say they are probably the top planes in game for diving.

- HusarDerLuft - 04.03.2010

334th_Grantura Wrote:109 good diver? its compresses at high speeds.

my top 5 i can think off:

p47
j2m3/5
FW190(incuding ta)
mc205
p40

grant


no way
The 109 had some of the best climb and dive performance of the war. That was its strength
Pilots would dive on the enemy and zoom climb back up again.

To escape escorting fighters during the Defence of the Reich,.. a pilot would just give the order over the radio: "Regroup downstairs"... and they would all dive after the attack and so escape the escorts.
Thats the purpose of this thread,.. I wanted to know what other planes you can use to ""just dive away from your enemy""

- KG64_Cnopicilin - 04.03.2010

HusarDerLuft Wrote:
334th_Grantura Wrote:109 good diver? its compresses at high speeds.

my top 5 i can think off:

p47
j2m3/5
FW190(incuding ta)
mc205
p40

grant


no way
The 109 had some of the best climb and dive performance of the war. That was its strength
Pilots would dive on the enemy and zoom climb back up again.

To escape escorting fighters during the Defence of the Reich,.. a pilot would just give the order over the radio: "Regroup downstairs"... and they would all dive after the attack and so escape the escorts.
Thats the purpose of this thread,.. I wanted to know what other planes you can use to ""just dive away from your enemy""
Don't underestimate Gratura's opinion...

- 334th_Grantura - 05.03.2010

HusarDerLuft Wrote:
334th_Grantura Wrote:109 good diver? its compresses at high speeds.

my top 5 i can think off:

p47
j2m3/5
FW190(incuding ta)
mc205
p40

grant


no way
The 109 had some of the best climb and dive performance of the war. That was its strength
Pilots would dive on the enemy and zoom climb back up again.

To escape escorting fighters during the Defence of the Reich,.. a pilot would just give the order over the radio: "Regroup downstairs"... and they would all dive after the attack and so escape the escorts.
Thats the purpose of this thread,.. I wanted to know what other planes you can use to ""just dive away from your enemy""


I thought the topic was about planes in the game, not in real life. But then I have another one for topic dive away from enemy: the P63.

- CloCloZ - 02.04.2010

_VR_Aristo Wrote:To conclude; the reports are consistent that the P-47 wasn't as good at power-dive as it was publicized, in fact it was worse in respect to it's maximum safe dive speed than it's contemporaries by a considerable margin. Although being heavy, very good at accelerating on initial dive.


I could add this reference, that supports your statement: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/tempest/tempest-II-cfe.html

It's a Tempest II tactical trials report (May 1945) that says:
- "49. Dive: The two aircraft are identical" when comparing Tempest II with Tempest V
- "59. Dive: The Tempest II always out-dives the Thunderbolt, the advantage being more marked at full throttle" when comparing Tempest II with P-47

So, according to this document P-47 was inferior in a dive to Tempest V (and to post-war operational Tempest II too).