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- aviatorsneah - 15.03.2010

granted, i don't watch dogfights anymore cuz the show has gotten a bit redundant in what it talks about. "he is here...the 109 is here....if he turns to the left he'll shoot him down, if he turns to the right the 109 will shoot him down".

JUST SHOOT THE BUGGER DOWN! :roll:

- Sakai07 - 15.03.2010

aviatorsneah Wrote:granted, i don't watch dogfights anymore cuz the show has gotten a bit redundant in what it talks about. "he is here...the 109 is here....if he turns to the left he'll shoot him down, if he turns to the right the 109 will shoot him down".

JUST SHOOT THE BUGGER DOWN! :roll:

LOL, so true, the one about Randall Cunningham in the F-4J Showtime 100 taking on an ace of the NVAF in his Mig-17 is an EPIC dogfight tho. Vertical Siccors is a crazy way to fight a bad guy, and the thrust to weight ratio of those aircraft made it possible. Really good episode that one is, if you haven't seen it and get the chance, I highly recommend it!

Gentelmans please.... - Chieff - 23.03.2010

Big Grin

http://etherealland.com/newspaper/2008/ ... -dogfight/

in this short story... "GERMAN PILOTS were best...aces...BUT Candaleria shoot down ALL of themm....and,later after that some AAA bring him down?? WTH

oh god..this is sooo... i will tell this story to my kids...grandsones theyll love it

but please take a look at crusial momment when this americana piloto :guncool: pulls a handbrake in his p 51 and SD enemy bf109ACE LEADER(if thats correct vid-i dont wanna look tha shit again)

this is sooo funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdCm5z2RpI8

p.s. with respect to all former PILOTS ..veterans ETC... :wink: :cheers: but not some grandpa who tells a fairy tales :thumbdown:

Randall Cunningham - stoneyvmf214 - 23.03.2010

Sakai07 Wrote:
aviatorsneah Wrote:granted, i don't watch dogfights anymore cuz the show has gotten a bit redundant in what it talks about. "he is here...the 109 is here....if he turns to the left he'll shoot him down, if he turns to the right the 109 will shoot him down".

JUST SHOOT THE BUGGER DOWN! :roll:

LOL, so true, the one about Randall Cunningham in the F-4J Showtime 100 taking on an ace of the NVAF in his Mig-17 is an EPIC dogfight tho. Vertical Siccors is a crazy way to fight a bad guy, and the thrust to weight ratio of those aircraft made it possible. Really good episode that one is, if you haven't seen it and get the chance, I highly recommend it!
It's to bad "The Duke" is in prison. The USN's Last ACE

Re: Randall Cunningham - Bobbo - 24.03.2010

stoneyvmf214 Wrote:
Sakai07 Wrote:
aviatorsneah Wrote:granted, i don't watch dogfights anymore cuz the show has gotten a bit redundant in what it talks about. "he is here...the 109 is here....if he turns to the left he'll shoot him down, if he turns to the right the 109 will shoot him down".

JUST SHOOT THE BUGGER DOWN! :roll:

LOL, so true, the one about Randall Cunningham in the F-4J Showtime 100 taking on an ace of the NVAF in his Mig-17 is an EPIC dogfight tho. Vertical Siccors is a crazy way to fight a bad guy, and the thrust to weight ratio of those aircraft made it possible. Really good episode that one is, if you haven't seen it and get the chance, I highly recommend it!
It's to bad "The Duke" is in prison. The USN's Last ACE

To bad Duke "here is my bribe list" Cunningham's idea of the government came out of the Gilded Age. Considering how ethically challenged Cunningham is how serious do you want to take his claims of shooting down a Vietnamese fighter ace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Toon

When that ace never existed.

- Fireskull - 24.03.2010

Hi,

Zoom and Boom

Though some of the best fighter pilots loved to dogfight, in World War Two most of the best simply avoided dogfighting. Eric Hartmann was the one and only ACE of ACES. He had 352 victories and survived the war! He used the common "Zoom and Boom" tactic of his entire unit, JG 52. Hartmannn said that he would dogfight only as a last resort when no other option was possible. The JG 52 fellows of his unit were the approximate equivolent in size to a USA fighter wing-several squadrons, basically. With this small number, JG 52 shot down a staggering over 10,000 allied aircraft! JG 52 had many of the absolute highest scoring fighter pilots in all of human history.

Learn from the best of the best

The tactics of JG 52 are considered to be the best of World War Two by most world-class tactics experts on the subject. Study them to join the school of thought.

Eric Hartmann's Last Resort

Eric personally is credited with inventing at least two fighter tactics. The Last Resort is to cut power almost OFF, full down on the stick, and hard left rudder-all at the same time. If the enemy is banking close on your six o'clock, then this tactic makes it almost impossible for him to get a solid hit on you. This tactic saved the life of Eric Hartmann on quite a number of times, according to him.

Simple things to remember

Stay with your flight. Remain paired with at least one other fighter at all times. Don't be a hero trying to shoot everything down. Use teamwork.

Keep your speed fast. Climb when not engaged. Use climbing turns to preserve energy whenever possible. Disengage to gain speed and/or altitude as soon as the need arises. Avoid fancy maneuvers as much as possible to preserve speed.

For defense as a last resort, use scissors maneuver and call your comrades for help! Last but most important is to check your six o'clock every other look.

Re: Randall Cunningham - stoneyvmf214 - 25.03.2010

Bobbo Wrote:
stoneyvmf214 Wrote:
Sakai07 Wrote:
aviatorsneah Wrote:granted, i don't watch dogfights anymore cuz the show has gotten a bit redundant in what it talks about. "he is here...the 109 is here....if he turns to the left he'll shoot him down, if he turns to the right the 109 will shoot him down".

JUST SHOOT THE BUGGER DOWN! :roll:

LOL, so true, the one about Randall Cunningham in the F-4J Showtime 100 taking on an ace of the NVAF in his Mig-17 is an EPIC dogfight tho. Vertical Siccors is a crazy way to fight a bad guy, and the thrust to weight ratio of those aircraft made it possible. Really good episode that one is, if you haven't seen it and get the chance, I highly recommend it!
It's to bad "The Duke" is in prison. The USN's Last ACE

To bad Duke "here is my bribe list" Cunningham's idea of the government came out of the Gilded Age. Considering how ethically challenged Cunningham is how serious do you want to take his claims of shooting down a Vietnamese fighter ace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Toon

When that ace never existed.
Oh boy Here we go!! The Duke definatley screwed the pooch but He is still an Ace! And probably the last!! Now whether it was Col. Toon Who really cares!! He still got 5 confirmed kills!!