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- Guest - 17.08.2009

caldrail Wrote:Racing aircraft are designed for one thing, speed. As a result, it's a no-compromise design that makes no allowance for military equipment or usage. Various racers have been put forward for military service (the Me209 being the most famous) but the project always comes to grief one that one essential point, that since they were never designed as military aircraft, they just aren't any good for that role. So I'm afraid Howard Hughes was talking out of his bottom. The USAAF weren't so easily conned into investing time, money, and effort in trying to turn a sports aeroplane into a front line fighter. Imagine that Hughes H-1... Now add guns, ammunition, radios, armour plating... That's a lot of extra weight. What's going to happen to your performance? Is the structure strong enough? Is there enough room for this extra stuff? What about maintenance in field conditions? Is that sleek canopy suitable for a fighter pilot to adequately see out of in combat? It's a lovely looking aeroplane for sure, but a fighter it isn't.

my dear friend, we know that the original H-1
was not designed to be a fighter.
my idea is not put armour plating, or extra fuel.
We only put 2 small guns in its nose.

so we can fly it in the arenas of doghfight

remember that a6m, did not have armor plating, and not so ceased to be a nightmare for the Americans

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- .041 Safety Wire - 18.08.2009

Actually a lot of design features used in future military aircraft were taken from Glen Odekirk,s design. If you look at an overhead view of an SBD you will see a lot of similarities in the two shapes, Likewise look at the vertical on a Bearcat and again similar shapes. This aircraft also incorporated flush riveting which was quite new at the time. Probaby one of the lesser Known facts is the aircraft was produced with two sets of wings. One short set for short speed runs and another longer set for cross country records. The fuselage is a semi-monocoque structure and the wings are constructed of wood with wood skins. Rudder and Elevator are fabric covered aluminium structures. Both Hughes and Odekirk were so concerned with parasitic drag that the countersunk screws which secure the tank covers on the forward fuselage are of the slotted type with the slots all aligned with the airflow. Also most record setters from this time period had fixed landing gears with the H-1 being a retractable. Cockpit entry is fairly tight so Odekirk incorporated a windscreen that slid forward for entry and exit. The Hughes H-1 was a one of a kind aircraft until Jim Wright and his team reproduced it but unfortunately this aircraft was destroyed in a crash ultimatley costing Jims life. Look on the web for some beautiful shots of this bird at the Reno Air Races. The other H-1 rest at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC. Another interesting aspect is the Powerplant. The H-1 used a Pratt & Whitney R-1535 which is quite rare as they were a limited number produced. This powerplant had a very small diameter compared to other radials from this time period and was probably why Odekirk and Palmer chose it for the H1. One of the reasons Jim Wright built the replica was he had acquired a P & W 1535. The prop in unusual in its shape of the blades. The riveted box structure of the landing gear is unusual also.

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Laird Turner Meteor - Guest - 23.08.2009

yet when it comes to airplanes race in il2, we could also have the Laird Turner Meteor.






Manufacturer: Lawrence W. Brown Aircraft Co. and Matty Laird
Designer: Roscoe Turner
Date: 1930
Country of Origin: United States of America
Dimensions:
Wingspan 7.71 m (25 ft. 3.5 in.)
Length 7.11 m (23 ft. 4 in.)
Height 3.05 m (10 ft.)
Weight 1,427 kg (3,300 lb.) empty

[quote]http://collections.nasm.si.edu/code/emuseum.asp?style=single&currentrecord=1&page=search&profile=objects&searchdesc=A19730886000&quicksearch=A19730886000&newvalues=1&newstyle=expanded&newcurrentrecord=1
Feeling that his 1934 Thompson Trophy-winning Wedell-Williams was beginning to be outclassed by newer, faster racers, Roscoe Turner in 1936 contracted with the Lawrence W. Brown Aircraft Company of California to build a new racing aircraft. The aircraft, designed by Turner himself and engineered by Professor Howard Barlow of the University of Minnesota, was completed in mid-1936.

When Turner went to California to test fly the aircraft, he decided that it was too heavy for the 22-foot wingspan with its narrow chord. Thus, it was never flown with this small wing but was taken apart and shipped to Chicago. where renowned aircraft designer Matty Laird completely revamped it, using Turner

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- American - 23.08.2009

or this one

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- Guest - 24.08.2009

Why?

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- Guest - 24.08.2009

EnsignRo Wrote:Why?

simple
because some people do not Respect the opinion of others

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- Slow - 24.08.2009

Why?

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- EasyRider - 24.08.2009

Well sorry to burst your bubble...your wrong I'm afraid...
So those into the racing scene,and with out saying too much... it will happen once a few projects are cleared up...

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- Guest - 24.08.2009

Friction Wrote:It's all a difference in opinions guys. Please at least respect that.

I like these racing planes, but personally, I'd rather see planes that I would fly, go into the game, that's just my opinion though. I fly combat more than anything else. I will say though, that most of the guys that do aircraft mods in this game seem to lean towards realism, so their own projects will come before any of these, that's just the way it goes in modding. No one can expect them to drop what they are doing to "fill orders" of aircraft they don't want to do.

Regards
Friction

certainly
But take a look at these aircraft Deutschmark
they are not for Doghfights
but even so will, without any doubt a beautiful addition to the game

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- EasyRider - 24.08.2009

Friction Wrote:It's all a difference in opinions guys.

Yes totally,if we all only liked the exact same thing as the next guy...it would be a very boring world to live in
I too would like to eventually see some prop planes for simply flying and some different style maps,which have already begun with the Grand Canyon map and others that are in the wind...

I can honestly see flying IL2 still, for quite some time 8)

Easy

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- caldrail - 24.08.2009

The Dragon Rapide was used as a light bomber in Spain and I think one or two might have made it to Israel in '48 (might be wrong about that).

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- Deutschmark - 24.08.2009

caldrail Wrote:The Dragon Rapide was used as a light bomber in Spain and I think one or two might have made it to Israel in '48 (might be wrong about that).

The Dragon Rapide did do light bombing in WW2 and also had guns on it for Spain's airforce.



Deutschmark
WW1 Project Member.

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Re: Hughes H-1B Racer-Laird Turner Meteor - Guest - 29.09.2010

sad times I had to beg for an airplane.

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