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Re: 1946? - Razorback_Pilot - 20.09.2010
Right, because essentially(and I should have said this) that even though not a single German division fought in the Pacific and vice versa, the fact that the Allies had to plan around both theaters is why it is all called one war, one because they happened at the same time, and two, the hostile powers were all allied with each other.
Don't think that Italy made WWII a three way war, as soon as they surrendered to the Allies they immediately declared war on Germany. Partially because the Italians realized that it was not fun have a fascist who thought he could rebuild the Roman Empire..and couldn't do it, even with a bigger one in Germany.
And one thing that shortened the war(why German could not possibly even hope to reach Antwerp) is because the 9th Air Force flattened the Ploesti oil fields. In fact, when the Red Army go there, they said there was nothing left of the place, it had been bombed so much.
Course, there were the German subs in the Pacific....... :twisted:
Re: 1946? - Fireskull - 21.09.2010
Okay, good.
Perhaps the biggest blunder of the war was Hitler's attack upon the Soviet Union which he thought would have to fight a two front war which included Japan. In fact, the USSR and Japan were at war in the final days of WW2, but the Soviets and Germany faced one another for about 4 years at the cost of millions of soldiers and many more civilians. The war on the Russian Front in general dwarfed everything else combined.
In the long term, Hitler's blunder into the Soviet Union resulted in Germany fighting a three front war instead of two. Had he faced only one front at a time, it is likely that Germany would have defeated Great Britain at least in terms of a forced armistace that would have included the North Africa Front.
This would have allowed Germany to focus the vast majority of forces against the Soviet Union, which was a major goal of Hitler for years. I venture that the Nazis would have conquered all of Europe before the USA entered the war if Hitler had played his cards right as Commander In Chief.
Hitler's unreasonable expectation for Japan and Russia to open another front sealed the course of defeat for Germany. Had it actually happened that way, 1946 would have only been the beginning of Inter-Continental warfare on a massive scale.
Of course, one could say that Japan should have faced the Soviet Union before attacking the USA. In this sense, the blunder into defeat is shared by Germany and Japan.
I am so glad that the Allies won. :OO
Fireskull
Re: 1946? - AcesHigh - 22.09.2010
The japs needed a clear run to oil...I agree that hitler should have waited on the 2nd front....he made all the wrong moves, almost like divine intervention...
Re: 1946? - Razorback_Pilot - 22.09.2010
When Hitler began the offensive of 1942 against Russia, amazingly in many places Soviet troops stood their ground at the treaty line where Russian occupied Poland was and German Poland was. Since the USSR was surprised at this, they of course were pushed way back. But the fact is this: When any military front expands, and you do not compensate for a broadening of the front, your forces get spread out farther and farther. Now the Germany Army had units that were non-German, like Italian, Polish, Spanish, Fin, Russian, etc. The problem was more or less logistics. When the Russian winter became spring, the roads melted, the Germany Army got stuck, and the Russians countered attacked. Hitler made the SAME exact mistake as Kaiser Wilhelm did in the World War I(Revolution caused Russia to quit, but Germany would have been defeated anyway had this not happened) and Napoleon.
The war in one part(logistics) all about maintaining oil supplies and protecting them. Japan held Borneo for the oil(and the rest of that area), Germany took the Crimea and Stalingrad for capturing oil and cutting the oil supply to Russia.
Allied bombers had done so much damage to Germany's oil health that in fact they were using mules and horses to pull trucks and tanks. Even if Germany had even managed to get even halfway or all the way to Antwerp, they probably would be cut off from Germany(more than likely had they more oil) with US 3rd Army cutting the entire attacking force off, causing a major loss in manpower for German defense and more than likely leading to a German defeat maybe a week to one month earlier than May 7-8th.
Now for the Pacific, one thing many people don't realize is that the winter of 1945-46 was coming up, with the US Navy going to mine the Sea of Japan, and that winter would probably work as the best weapon instead of invading. Since so much of Japan's industrial power was simply just gone, and with the merchant fleet simply decimated, along with supply from mainland Asia cut off, there would be thousands, maybe even millions of casualties in Japan due simply to famine.
Re: 1946? - Bobbo - 22.09.2010
Everyone is making a huge assumption here that there ever was a WW2 in the first place.
Quote:WORLD WAR II: THE MYTH OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY
We have all heard the stories about World War II. How the Germans invaded Poland. How the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. How the "Allied forces" landed in Normandy. How the US exploded an "atomic bomb."
One might think that World War II is as factual as possible. Didn't thousands fight in the war and millions die? Wasn't the war documented in newspaper and radio reports of the day? Hasn't there been copious amounts of literature written about this "War to End All Wars?"
Recent evidence, however, shows a much different story. Most reputable historians now discount the myth of World War Two, but this information is not getting out to the public.
PEARL HARBOR
For most Americans, World War II really started with the supposed Japanese "bombing" of Pearl Harbor. However, noted professor Dr. Ploktin Qwerty, an expert of Japanese aviation, has written
extensively on the capabilities of 1940's vintage Japanese Zero bombers.
"They couldn't reach Tokyo from Osaka, let alone Hawaii!" he wrote in his 1984 article for the Journal of Historical Fact. "Given their wingspans, method of propulsion and payload, the
only way they could have reached any U.S. territories is as submarines![1]"
FIRST-HAND ACCOUNTS
Serious historians now agree that the supposed "first-hand accounts" of soldiers who are alleged to have actually fought against the German and Japanese forces are notoriously inaccurate. In one celebrated instance, one soldier claimed to have heard three bombs in ten seconds, and another soldier *in his same unit* claimed to hear only two! [2]
University of Chattanooga Professor Ernest W. Wykol has gone back and examined the barracks where American soldiers stayed in Europe. He found such items as pin-up calendars, paperback books
and pinochle decks.[3] Hardly what one would expect soldiers fighting for freedom and democracy would be occupying themselves with.
In fact, evidence is mounting that American "soldiers" actually spent their entire stay in Europe and the Pacific *playing cards*. As noted historian Odioun Flatcher has discovered, card playing was extremely popular in the forties, to the point of entire newspaper columns devoted to the subject! [4]
THE TRAGIC ACCIDENT
As Flatcher has reconstructed events, the British, French, US and Germans all sent thousands of "soldiers" to play cards at various sites in Europe. In one tournament in Lyons, a tragic explosion
occurred at a nearby fireworks factory, killing and injuring hundreds of players. THESE WERE THE ONLY CASUALTIES OF "WORLD WAR II." The media showed the injured and dead soldiers in
photographs many, many times to give the impression of a "war" with continuous casualties. That this is a myth can be seen clearly; Flatcher documented one case where the New York Times
showed a picture of an injured soldier on a Tuesday and the Philadelphia Bulletin showed the exact same picture on a Thursday.
THE KAMIKAZE LIE
It was certainly in the evil media's interest to make the war up, and to make the "enemies" as ruthless and evil as possible. One notorious example is the lie that Japanese aviators were actually encouraged to destroy their valuable aircraft (and themselves) by crashing them into the sides of US ships.
Dr. Rubert Faurr, a French professor of basket-weaving, has quoted no less an authority than General Douglas MacArthur on his reaction when he heard the first rumor about these supposed
suicide missions. "That's ridiculous!" MacArthur exclaimed.
Honest Japanese people will also admit how absurd this claim is. The word "kamikaze" actually means "he who herds the sheep" in certain Japanese dialects, according to Japan expert Mort Clondyke.[5] And Atoyot Adnoh, currently Japanese minister of history in the Diet, has stated publically that "that whole episode was really crazy." [6]
THE MYTHMAKERS
As more of these inconsistencies get exposed, it truly becomes more difficult to believe what we have learned in history books (from companies with names like Simon and Shuster.) It is outside
the scope of this article to speculate on who could have started and perpetuated the major myth of this century, but one only has to look at the preposterous battle cry as the Japanese are said
to have flown over to attack the most powerful nation on the planet: "Tora[h], Tora[h], Tora[h]!" It isn't difficult to come up with the answers.
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[1] "Give Me a Laser Printer and I Can Publish Anything," Adolph
Publishers, Frenzy, MD, 1973.
[2] "The Great War: It Was Fantastic!," Revised History R Us,
Izan Publishing House, Stuttgart, OK, 1984.
[3] Wykol, Ernest, "The Most Fun a War Could Be," *The Journal of
Historical Fiction*, Impress Press, Erie, MO, 1982.
[4] Flatcher, Odioun, and others, "War Games: The Pinochle
Championship of 1944," Izan Publishers, Stuttgart, MI, 1985.
[5] Klondyke, Mort, "Japanese for People Who Don't Care," Surabi
Press, Dayton, OH, 1864.
[6] Proceedings of People who Need to Get a Life, page 32,
available in fine libraries everywhere.
(This is a spoof of Holocaust revisionist articles.)
Just teaching the controversy.
Re: 1946? - Razorback_Pilot - 22.09.2010
LOL!
