[BETA] Lockheed F-80A Shooting Star - Printable Version
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- VF-51_Cobraj - 26.03.2009
Does anyone know the cruise speed loaded on this plane? Seems underpowered a little. I was checking on load out for this plane and only came up with 6 5" HVARs or 2 1000lbs bombs both with drop tanks. It seems like bombs and rockets were not on this plane together. Is this correct?
- Charrua - 26.03.2009
the rato bottles used in this aircraft
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Magazi ... assics.pdf
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- VF-51_Cobraj - 27.03.2009
10/ 5" HVARs or 2/ 1000lbs bombs both with drop tanks were used, I was wrong.
Good reading
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F-80A "Shooting Star"
The AAF definitively endorsed the P-80 on 4 April (2 months ahead of the XP-80A's first flight) with a LC that introduced the first production contract. This contract, as approved in December, called for two lots of P-80s (500 in each). Delivery of the first 500 was to be completed by the end of 1945; the rest, by February 1946. Germany's growing use of jet fighters (and the North American P-51's inability to measure up) underlined the P-80's urgency. In January 1945, the P-80 production got the same high priority as the B-29. This came after concluding that a slowdown of P-38 production would not solve the manpower, space, and part shortages preventing Lockheed from speeding up the P-80 production. Each of the first 500 P-80s would cost $75,913; the later ones, $20,000 less per aircraft. A second production contract in June 1945 raised the P-80 procurement above 3,600-most of them subsequently cancelled. An additional 1,000 P-80s were to be built by North American and labeled P-80Ns to distinguish them from the Lockheed productions. They too were cancelled.
Despite major problems, the AAF received its first P-80A on schedule. The P-80 actually attained quantity production in March (only 21 months from its design), even though precision tools were lacking and the engines were either in short supply or unacceptable.
Accelerated service tests showed that with proper maintenance the P-80A was safe for flight. Many mechanical "bugs" were found, however. An engineering inspection of the 126th P-80A in mid-November (delayed for months because the first planes were practically handmade and hardly typical of later ones) also disclosed a number of deficiencies.
The close of WW II brought a sharp curtailment of the P-80 procurement. The second production contract (June 1945) was completely cancelled on 5 September; the first went through several changes before settling for a total of 917 airplanes, against the 1,000 originally contracted for. Moreover, the P-80's cost climbed some $19,000 per unit, due to reduced procurement, readjusted delivery schedules, and more particularly, required configuration changes. Nevertheless, postwar procurement through fiscal year 1950 raised the entire program to 1,731 P-80s (by then redesignated F-80s) of one model or another. This Air Force Logistics Command (AFLC) figure included all experimental and prototype planes, some 60 P-80s bought for the Air National Guard (ANG), and 128 F-80Cs converted to TF-80Cs (also referred to as T-33s). Lockheed reported F-80 production to be below 1,700. Headquarters AAF/USAF showed 1,562 F-80s bought for the active forces. All three sets of figures were correct, being based on different accounting methods.
Months after many of the P-80s had been accepted, the aircraft were assigned to the 412th Fighter Group. After testing the aircraft, this unit had reported in mid-1945 that the P-80 "was the only fighter airplane with sufficient speed to escort proposed jetpropelled bombers." The 412th also thought the P-80 well-suited for other tactical roles--counter air and ground support. In the spring of 1946 the AAF had 301 P-80s, hardly any of them overseas. The main reason was the same shortage of parts and engines that had kept the P-80 out of WW II. All P-8OAs using J33-9 engines had been grounded in 1945, while a General Motors strike the following year further complicated the engine situation. Furthermore, the P-80 had the highest accident rate in the AAF (More than twice that of any other fighter, excluding the P-59 which was seldom flown.)-36 crashes alone between March and September 1946. Here, low pilot experience played a part.
Beginning with the 346th production, Lockheed put the Allison J33-17 engine in the P-80A. The GE J33-11 and Allison J33-9 engines, used interchangeably by earlier P-80As, would be reconfigured along the lines of the new J33-17. There was no money for Allison to do the work. It would be handled over several years during regular depot engine overhauls.
The AAF paid Lockheed $8.5 million to give the P-8OAs some features of the next model (P-80B). This took roughly 1 year. By March 1948, all P-80As in service had received under-wing rocket launchers, and all but a few got an engine water-alcohol injection system to ease takeoff. To cure canopy problems at high speed, Lockheed installed newly-developed canopy remover kits on many of the P-80As as part of the $8.5 million modernization deal. Oversea units did their own canopy work. The same fund shortages that kept Allison from improving the engines of the early P80As slowed other postproduction modifications. Faulty aileron boost pumps (the cause of several accidents) and hydraulic pressure losses still existed. These, like upgrading the original engines, would eventually be corrected during regular depot overhauls.
Production terminated with delivery of 12 last aircraft in December 1946. 525 p-80s were accepted; AAF accepted 33 P-80As in FY 45, 311 in FY 46, and 181 in FY 47. Cost per aircraft was approximately $95,000, Average cost of the various P-80s ordered under the first production contract of December 1944. If included, research and development costs boosted the aircraft's average price to over $110,000.
- Dietz - 05.04.2009
This Mod seems to have taken the place of my YP-80...is this correct...I don't seem to have it any longer in QMB...no biggee- if I loose that bird to get this one...nice improvement as a matter of fact!I do have one question are rockets in the corredt wing location ? I had a model once a long time ago & it seems to me the rockets were a bit more outward bound on the wing?
One other question ...probably answered some where, do skins go in a new folder named F-80A? :lol:
- US_GRANT - 05.04.2009
What do I name the Skins folder in order to upload custom skins?
Obviously, P80A in the skins folder does not do it.
- Bwf. - 05.04.2009
Just create a new folder ( F-80A ) and drop it in your skins folder,
any skin made for the YP-80 will work. You can also "edit" the YP-80
out of your mod install and re-name the skin folder P-80A to F-80A.
- US_GRANT - 05.04.2009
I just added the F-80A folder and I can use both. Don't know why, but I would rather like to keep the YP-80, just in case.
Also, would it be possible for this acft to carry napalm?
One more thing. I notice with all the acft that carry external tanks when they are dropped, they just fall off like bombs. Now I've seen enough ariel footage to know that when drop tanks are jettisoned, they do not fall off that way. They tumble. As a matter of fact, when I used to work F-4Es and F-15s in the Air Force, we had specific designs on the tanks to make them tumble away from the plane. The ejector rack was set to release the forward lug first and then the aft lug so the airflow would catch the tank to help "rip" it away from the aircraft faster.
Don't know if this can be done with this game, but it would sure be nice. 'course, it would be nice if I could drop my externals on a truck convoy and have the unused fuel blow up a truck or two, but that is another story.
- 109dude - 05.04.2009
I've been waiting for this.
- elephant - 05.04.2009
That's really Great!
Any chance that the head and mask PeterD created for his Sabre pilot, can-will be used in this project too?
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- GatoNegro - 05.04.2009
Maybe.
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Re: [BETA] Lockheed F-80A Shooting Star - walter_solito - 06.04.2009
GatoNegro Wrote:...............FROM THE FIRST POST.................
You can enjoy a F-80A until finish the development of the other model.
Features:
K-14 Acemaker Sight (working)
Extended range (drop tanks)
Note: I had a new FM with working speed brakes but I can not put it here.
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Hi!
Why don't you try to ask at Muas or Karaya to include the new FM in their buttons file?
cheers
walter
- Ranwers - 06.04.2009
Elephant - thats is first class !
- JG14_Jagr - 06.04.2009
Elephant, that looks fantastic.. is it available for download anywhere yet?
- US_GRANT - 06.04.2009
GatorNegro,
Are the drop tanks modled in their own TGA file somewhere? I was wondering because it would be nice to decorate them with various squadron colors like they used to do.
- JG14_Jagr - 06.04.2009
PeterD creted the Sabre and the Helmet mod.. he was very open to allowing one of the other projects to use it.. I would doubt very much that he would refuse you if you ask him. Send him a PM