[WIP] Spitfire Mk XVIe - Printable Version
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- David603 - 30.10.2009
walter_solito Wrote:But the MK XVI is a MK IX derivate with the 266 engine...so the choice is historically correct even into the mod course!Well yes, this would be logical if both the MkIX model and the MkVIII model were of the same quality, but the MkVIII model is very much superior to the MkIX model, it is more accurate, more detailed and the surface mapping is much easier to work with for skinners. Bringing the MkIX model up to the standards of the MkVIII model would take a great deal of work, and I was just thinking that it would be easier to start with the MkVIII model and convert it into a MkIX, and then turn this into a MkXVI.
cheers
walter
- walter_solito - 31.10.2009
David603 Wrote:walter_solito Wrote:But the MK XVI is a MK IX derivate with the 266 engine...so the choice is historically correct even into the mod course!Well yes, this would be logical if both the MkIX model and the MkVIII model were of the same quality, but the MkVIII model is very much superior to the MkIX model, it is more accurate, more detailed and the surface mapping is much easier to work with for skinners. Bringing the MkIX model up to the standards of the MkVIII model would take a great deal of work, and I was just thinking that it would be easier to start with the MkVIII model and convert it into a MkIX, and then turn this into a MkXVI.
cheers
walter
Hi mate!
You have your point of wiew but if I remember right above there is a similar post and the reply is that the author know what he's doing so I think that the better way is to support him with our post , let him do it and...let comments for after the release!
cheers
walter
PS - Remember that if he start from the IX this doesn't mean that he can't take better pieces from other Spit....
- Guest - 31.10.2009
Fair enough the Mk VIII model is better, but the work has already been finished on the Mk XVI. It's a bit hard to undo it all and start again. Anyway, you won't be disappointed with the effort (and if you are, you're welcome to make a XVI from the Mk VIII models).
VH only started learning 3D Studio Max a few months ago and I believe he has done a splendid job so far.
- F22-Raptor-2006 - 31.10.2009
Anto Wrote:Fair enough the Mk VIII model is better, but the work has already been finished on the Mk XVI. It's a bit hard to undo it all and start again. Anyway, you won't be disappointed with the effort (and if you are, you're welcome to make a XVI from the Mk VIII models).
VH only started learning 3D Studio Max a few months ago and I believe he has done a splendid job so far.
The Fuselage will be made a bit more round on the MkIX and XVI tonight probably.
- David603 - 31.10.2009
walter_solito Wrote:Hi mate!Yes, I suppose you are right, and the new canopy itself looks fantastic, so please don't think I am questioning VH-Rock's ability to model this aircraft.
You have your point of wiew but if I remember right above there is a similar post and the reply is that the author know what he's doing so I think that the better way is to support him with our post , let him do it and...let comments for after the release!
cheers
walter
PS - Remember that if he start from the IX this doesn't mean that he can't take better pieces from other Spit....
Really, the only reason why I was a little dispointed when I first saw the mod was based on the MkIX was that I had decided, not long before I saw this, that I would try to model the MkXVI myself, and that I would use the MkVIII as a starting point. Since this mod is so far along now, it would be rather pointless for me to try to make the same plane, so maybe I will start with trying to build a Spitfire Mk21 instead.
Also, if VH is going to improve the MkIX model (for the high back MkXVI version) and the new bubble top MkXVI then much good could come from this because it would be possible to apply the improvements across the MkIX family as a visual upgrade which would be very welcome indeed.
- walter_solito - 31.10.2009
David603 Wrote:walter_solito Wrote:Hi mate!Yes, I suppose you are right, and the new canopy itself looks fantastic, so please don't think I am questioning VH-Rock's ability to model this aircraft.
You have your point of wiew but if I remember right above there is a similar post and the reply is that the author know what he's doing so I think that the better way is to support him with our post , let him do it and...let comments for after the release!
cheers
walter
PS - Remember that if he start from the IX this doesn't mean that he can't take better pieces from other Spit....
Really, the only reason why I was a little dispointed when I first saw the mod was based on the MkIX was that I had decided, not long before I saw this, that I would try to model the MkXVI myself, and that I would use the MkVIII as a starting point. Since this mod is so far along now, it would be rather pointless for me to try to make the same plane, so maybe I will start with trying to build a Spitfire Mk21 instead.
Also, if VH is going to improve the MkIX model (for the high back MkXVI version) and the new bubble top MkXVI then much good could come from this because it would be possible to apply the improvements across the MkIX family as a visual upgrade which would be very welcome indeed.
Dear mate!
I haven't thought that you're questioning absolutely!
My greatest apologize if I hurt you!
I'm only trying to pursuit and imagine the VH argument about the development of the mod!
Sice your future work , what about an MK XVIII before the MK 21?
The MK XVIII is between them , have the same shape of the MK XIV but is a bit longer (+/- 24 cm) have stronger fuselage , gear and wing and have 2x150 fuel tank in the aft fuselage too!
The MK 21 is like the MK XVIII with new engine and new modified wings plan!
It can be an useful step for shape modding and class file understanding too!!
cheers
walter
- Ltforce - 31.10.2009
VH-Rock Wrote:Mk XVIII already WIP by myself
21 im not sure about. I know that was a 22 being made so i dont' see why a 21 couldn't be made.
VH Rock, dont take this in a gay way but your my god man. Every spitfire I want in the game your making... XVI and XVIII.....all we need now is a spit F21 or F22 (preferably 22...4 20mm.....mmm)
Thanks for your hard work team!!! I cant wait to fly the XVI!!!! Just one question will the canopy be openable??
Thanks again!!!
- Ltforce - 31.10.2009
VH-Rock Wrote:Ltforce Wrote:VH-Rock Wrote:Mk XVIII already WIP by myself
21 im not sure about. I know that was a 22 being made so i dont' see why a 21 couldn't be made.
VH Rock, dont take this in a gay way but your my god man. Every spitfire I want in the game your making... XVI and XVIII.....all we need now is a spit F21 or F22 (preferably 22...4 20mm.....mmm)
Thanks for your hard work team!!! I cant wait to fly the XVI!!!! Just one question will the canopy be openable??
Thanks again!!!
:wink:
Thread for XVIII???
- Guest - 02.11.2009
*BUMP*
Slot work is pretty much done, just awaiting final 3D and FM. Still confirming with VH what models we are going to do (at least the bubble and clip). All will have non-sequential lettering for RAF, opening canopies and complete historic loadout (will include AAA 50cal APIT weapon mod). Here are some pics to wet ones appetites (ignore the skin, not supposed to have outer MGs)
Late-war Spitfire Mk XVIe from 74SQN. Armed with 2x RP-3 Rockets, scouting out enemy armour in the Ardennes:
![[Image: SpitXVI-1.jpg]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mumblyjoe55/SpitXVI-1.jpg)
Target destroyed!
![[Image: SpitXVI-2.jpg]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mumblyjoe55/SpitXVI-2.jpg)
Mk XVIe with clipped wings, fully loaded for battle:
![[Image: SpitXVI-3.jpg]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mumblyjoe55/SpitXVI-3.jpg)
Buzzing the locals:
![[Image: SpitXVI-4.jpg]](http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/mumblyjoe55/SpitXVI-4.jpg)
A round of applause for VH-Rock who so far has done a brilliant job on these
- Ltforce - 02.11.2009
Holy crap....beautiful plane!!! excellent job!!! Make sure it comes with skins for black spinners please
white/grey ones arent nice at all!!!Thanks for the hard work, FM should be pretty close to MK IXe..
- Guest - 02.11.2009
Actually, it should be spot on since the XVIe was a IXe with a bubble canopy and an American built engine...
- David603 - 02.11.2009
walter_solito Wrote:Dear mate!Well, I had been thinking about a MkXVIII, but this would require grafting a bubble canopy into the MkXIV and stretching the rear fusalage, where if I started with the MkXIVe (of course, I would need permision from the creators of this mod) then the high backed Mk21 would only need the outer wings reshaped slightly, the 4 20mm cannon, and some small changes to the FM to acount for the improved high speed roll rate, and the small increases in weight and power.
I haven't thought that you're questioning absolutely!
My greatest apologize if I hurt you!
I'm only trying to pursuit and imagine the VH argument about the development of the mod!
Sice your future work , what about an MK XVIII before the MK 21?
The MK XVIII is between them , have the same shape of the MK XIV but is a bit longer (+/- 24 cm) have stronger fuselage , gear and wing and have 2x150 fuel tank in the aft fuselage too!
The MK 21 is like the MK XVIII with new engine and new modified wings plan!
It can be an useful step for shape modding and class file understanding too!!
cheers
walter
Very nice - ={TTU}=Zumbach - 02.11.2009
Very nice work
- Ltforce - 02.11.2009
Deac Wrote:Actually, it should be spot on since the XVIe was a IXe with a bubble canopy and an American built engine...
bubble canopy would reduce drag....by a small amount, I think there could be a 3-4 mph difference but no point in making a new FM for that little...it was proven that polishing the aircraft could get you 3-4 mph....cleaning up leading edges was 6 mph, streamlined rear view mear was 2-3 mph and changing the shape of the exhaust collectors was 6-7 mph!!! So I think the bubble canopy could definitely make a small difference...
- Pongie - 03.11.2009
Ltforce Wrote:Deac Wrote:Actually, it should be spot on since the XVIe was a IXe with a bubble canopy and an American built engine...
bubble canopy would reduce drag....by a small amount, I think there could be a 3-4 mph difference but no point in making a new FM for that little...it was proven that polishing the aircraft could get you 3-4 mph....cleaning up leading edges was 6 mph, streamlined rear view mear was 2-3 mph and changing the shape of the exhaust collectors was 6-7 mph!!! So I think the bubble canopy could definitely make a small difference...
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