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Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - londo16 - 08.06.2013

For all it's worth, from someone who Beowolf and ice believes is unworthy to voice an opinion on anything mod related since I haven't created anything, you guys speak about the SAS team as if the view themselves above the rest of us but I've never seen them tout themselves as like "lords" to anyone in the forums. I haven't seen anything like that there, the only place I've ever seen that is here, in this thread. HotelAlpha express a different viewpoint of the situation and is called out a squirt who hasn't done anything, so he posts his work and then Beowolf attacks that it isn't his work and that even if it is it won't make into the game cause HotelAlpha isn't a good enough modder for that.Really? Is that the best way to respond to an opposing viewpoint? But I shouldnt be surprised since Beowolf liken the HUEY incident to the pearl harbour attacks, which I thought was kinda of offensive since, you know, people died in the attack. But I already know what response this will receive, that my upper-crust words are trying to distort the truth and that as I don't mod I should just keep my mouth shut.
Don't worry masters, this lowly serf won't speak out against you anymore

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Deutschmark - 08.06.2013

Well you know what, am going to repost this and why because it is fact and I want people to see it.

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Well let me ask you this HotelAlpha200,
You see this here; viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34006
Tell me if what you think what was done there with my HUEY and I was right.
I never once in all the time SAS has been around gone there and started any trouble
NOT ONCE!
I have gone there and have been taken for the classic SAS ride two times, once when CirX put out a few of my planes and did so under a fake name and LOL wile it all went on and the other was my HUEY where they put in direct download links in a locked thread and toyed with me and got belittling then banned me and called me the trouble maker, and you say they the ones that run SAS are great people.

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PS; and then there is this right from the top man at SAS = Anto
[Image: ANTO.jpg]

I like the line
( As GJE52 said, we only opt for such measures once all other avenues are exhausted. )

That's bullshit and I am a prime example of it being bullshit! look above...

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Beowolff - 08.06.2013

yeah, DM... I was there 'both' times you were 'taken for a ride' by the SAS... the first time as an actual SAS moderator and treehouse member (to my shame,) which enabled me to have DIRECT BEHIND THE SCENE information of what they did to you, the second time when you were only 'trying' to get them to do right over the Huey but got sandbagged, double-teamed, body-slammed...then banned for the trouble. g'ah!

that's why I told Alpha he had NO BUSINESS getting involved in the SAS/FM troubles... he don't know a god damned THING about it except for maybe a few lies some of his SAS admin chums maybe told him. and since he does not know the REAL score, every time he opens his mouth about it he is spewing pure hog wash. you can't talk about something you simply don't know a blessed thing about, and trying to only makes you a fool. not that 'that' will actually stop him from doing it though. lol!

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as for you Ashe... I don't 'need' any proof that Max took any of ice's stuff. and certainly YOU don't have the right to demand such proof. now I've worked with Max on MANY projects, and actually I've always been a friend to and liked Max personally... but, I've had far too many 'other' skinners tell me that Max has in the past on occasion 'borrowed' things from their own work and then forgotten to give them any credit for it. now one guy I could have shrugged off as a liar or troublemaker, maybe even two, as being mistaken... but when you have a half a dozen and several of those with unshakable credentials then common sense would say that where there's smoke, there's fire. so if Ice tells me that some of his work got borrowed and there was no credit given for it (whether on purpose or by mistake) then i'm darned inclined to believe him. I also witnessed the EXTRAORDINARY violent knee-jerk reaction from the SAS minions over at M4T which ALSO tipped me that very likely there was 'something' to Ice's (aka Battlin' Bastard's) words over there.

but that's me. I have not asked YOU personally to believe otherwise though.

if you remain unconvinced then that's your business and none of mine, and so certainly if 'i' believe Ice then that is 'MY' business and none of 'YOURS.' and buddy, i'll tell you to your face you have no right to demand 'anything' from me... ever.

you've never befriended me, never helped me, never had any personal dealings with me except here on these pages. you were NOT a moderator nor treehouse member over at the SAS when I was there and so cannot speak with any authority about what went on in there when I was there. like many others, you are getting your information SECOND or even THIRD HAND. and so if you choose to believe the booger-tales and lies that the older members told you about me and the FM site or even about DM and his site here...so be it. that's your right to believe as you want.

but you've taken on the 'usual' holier than thou SAS attitude and 'assumed' you know it all and 'assumed' you have the right to be a judge of things that you basically know nothing about. and you come here trying to 'prove' them...and it can't be done. and again, that's fine by me. if you feel the need to speak on things that you don't have a real clue on in order to protect people or defend sites that 'you' think have not done a blooming thing wrong...fine. it makes you a 'yes man' willing to believe whatever they pump into your head, but still that's YOUR right to do so if that's what you want to do.

however... you have ZERO right to DEMAND anything from me.

again you've never held any direct conversations with me (other than here) you've never worked with me on any project, you were not involved with me directly or had any real contact with me even when I was over at the treehouse... every scrap of info that you know about me is basically second/third hand from people that hate the ground I walk on and the air that I breathe... and yet you're VERY willing to believe all of it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

now tell me, Ashe... how smart is 'that?' :mrgreen:

it basically puts you in the same boat that our little friend Hotel Alpha is in, doesn't it. d'oh! :lol:

but hey, I don't care really what you believe or why you want to believe it. you do as you want to. but just so you know, just cause you believe it don't make it right. (if you ever really want to know exactly the truth about me feel free to pm me and ask me anything you want...you'll get no bull baloney, I can promise you that.)

but in the mean time cut out the demands to me. sorry, bud, but you just don't have the 'right' (or the truthful knowledge of me) to make 'em.

Beo

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Beowolff - 08.06.2013

londo16 Wrote:For all it's worth, from someone who Beowolf and ice believes is unworthy to voice an opinion on anything mod related since I haven't created anything, you guys speak about the SAS team as if the view themselves above the rest of us but I've never seen them tout themselves as like "lords" to anyone in the forums. I haven't seen anything like that there, the only place I've ever seen that is here, in this thread. HotelAlpha express a different viewpoint of the situation and is called out a squirt who hasn't done anything, so he posts his work and then Beowolf attacks that it isn't his work and that even if it is it won't make into the game cause HotelAlpha isn't a good enough modder for that.Really? Is that the best way to respond to an opposing viewpoint? But I shouldnt be surprised since Beowolf liken the HUEY incident to the pearl harbour attacks, which I thought was kinda of offensive since, you know, people died in the attack. But I already know what response this will receive, that my upper-crust words are trying to distort the truth and that as I don't mod I should just keep my mouth shut.
Don't worry masters, this lowly serf won't speak out against you anymore

lol... HERE we go. :lol:

once again spew from people that have NO clue as to what is going on. ^^^

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Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - asheshouse - 08.06.2013

Ok Beo -- so you admit you have no proof that Max "ripped off" Ice_Eagles textures.
You have admitted that you have based your opinion on second hand information.

You have chosen to ignore the fact that Ice_Eagle apologised to Max and that Max accepted the apology thereby bringing that issue to a close.

I don't need to know anything about you as you have suggested.
I asked if you had proof and you confirmed that you hadn't. That's good enough for me.

Don't you think you should retract your statement and apologise to Max?

Ashe

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Beowolff - 08.06.2013

asheshouse Wrote:Ok Beo -- so you admit you have no proof that Max "ripped off" Ice_Eagles textures.
You have admitted that you have based your opinion on second hand information.

I don't need to know anything about you as you have suggested.
I asked if you had proof and you confirmed that you hadn't. That's good enough for me.

Don't you think you should retract your statement and apologise to Max.

Ashe

not in the slightest... as 'once' again i'll state that 'ive' worked with Max, I've had dealings with Max, and I know that on occasion he's at least used parts of 'others' work in his own work and forgotten (for whatever reason, good or bad I don't know which) to give credit on them. so if Ice says Max used some of his textures in a work i'll tend to believe him based on what I already knew as a past history... and because it rang true to me. and because of the INSTANT and WAY WAY over the top attack mode that both Max AND the rest of the SAS minions went into when it was suggested there on M4T.

and once again you try to mis-direct, confuse and baffle others by seizing on a line or two in a post and trying to inflate it into something else so that the REAL MEAT of the conversation can be shrugged off by the SAS. ie that they hold grudges forever, never forget a slight (real or imagined,) and were beyond ALL doubt LAYING in wait to pounce on Ice Eagle (as they've done to so many OTHER people) whereas they felt they could double-team, body-slam, put-down and BAN him.

hell, let's face it, Ashe...you don't give a rat's ass whether I apologize to Max or to anybody else for anything... lol! :lol: you're scratching dirt trying once again (and failing once again) to spread protection over your palsy-walsy's over at the SAS site in general.

Max is no saint (as none of us are, including your own self) and it's not like you're one of his faithful, everyday pals and chums that hang out with him all the time and run with him where ever he goes. crap, you're not his best bud nor his protector and I can't imagine that he's ever even ASKED you to be. like I said, I know Max, even consider him still a friend as I've worked CLOSELY with him on numerous occasions and I can tell you point blank and to your face that he's NEVER chummed up with you directly and or told you...'hey, Ashe...cover my ass will you, buddy!'

like I said, you could give a rat's ass whether he needs an apology or not.

but what you 'do' desperately want is to pull attention away from the wrong-doings of the SAS. (as that is the true purpose of the disposable, true-believing, brain-washed SAS lackey) and that is clear to everyone with half a brain. and you'll say or do whatever it takes to ...'get the job done.'

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Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - asheshouse - 08.06.2013

Beo - You are confusing things you surmise with things you know to be facts.

You don't know whether or not I have had dealings with Max. It really doesn't matters, does it.
You don't know what I give a "rats ass" about.
It is probably true that none of us are saints. I think the Vatican requires you to be deceased before they consider you for beatification.

The facts are that Ice_Eagle has produced no proof that Max "ripped off" his textures, and has seen fit to apologise to Max.

Which part of this are you struggling to understand?

Ashe

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Beowolff - 08.06.2013

asheshouse Wrote:Beo - You are confusing things you surmise with things you know to be facts.

You don't know whether or not I have had dealings with Max. It really doesn't matters, does it.
You don't know what I give a "rats ass" about.
It is probably true that none of us are saints. I think the Vatican requires you to be deceased before they consider you for beatification.

The facts are that Ice_Eagle has produced no proof that Max "ripped off" his textures, and has seen fit to apologise to Max.

Which part of this are you struggling to understand?

Ashe

evidently i'm confused and struggling over the part where YOU evidently didn't read that iceeagle CLEARLY said that he apologized to max for bringing it 'out in the open' at M4T. d'uh! :-?

ice 'pointedly' said that he didn't apologize for 'saying' what he said, but rather for 'where' and I guess how he said it. buddy, that's a WHOLE other ballgame than admitting he was lying about Max taking his textures and apologizing directly to Max for saying that. or don't you get that? hmmm, perhaps it's not me struggling but your own self? :roll:

but anyway, as I said, you could care less about any apology to Max. that wasn't (and still isn't) the thrust of your post... MISDIRECTION is 'your' game.

keep scratching dirt, buddy. perhaps if you dig a deep enough hole you can bury the many wrong-doings of the SAS under it all. I don't think it'll work, but hell it's fun watching you try, anyway. lol. only take care that it's 'real' dirt your scratching in and not a steaming pile of horse manure.

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Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - londo16 - 08.06.2013

Quote:however... you have ZERO right to DEMAND anything from me.
This is all I need to know, asked for proof, then cries out how dare you make demands to me!!!
Beo your right when I say I dont know the whole story but what I've seen do far is enough to base a conclusion(I know another upper-crust word to distort the truth) you claim that SAS is run like a gang of thugs who sick their "vicious attack dog" GJE52 on their enemies then ban whoever doesn't fall in line. I never seen anything like on any of the forums. The only responses viciously on any forum is you.
You claim SAS wronged DM when the posted direct links to his works, on this we agree (the should have asked) but I don't think I'm getting the full story from anybody here, you post screenshots of selected posts instead of the whole thread(talk about spin-doctoring) and think we should all believe that is the entire story, sorry not buying it. And let's not forget DM let same thing happen here with the MiG-21 and Ice_Eagle, I didn't see any outrage from you since, you know, you stand against such ammoral actions
The only conclusion(that upper-crust word again) that I'm left to draw is that as much as claim that certain members of the SAS are thugs who try and "distort" issuses, the only one doing that is you. I know this won't change your perception of my understanding of the issue and I know you really don't care because I'm just a "visitor", just a lowly serf not part of your treeho..I mean "family" and how dare I question you. Perhaps FM needs some new site rules like this.....

We must not question the master.

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Deutschmark - 08.06.2013

Hi londo16 ,

Now that you ( and this is fact ) brought me into your talk with Beo then I will stand to correct you.

Fact, once it was known to me that Ice Eagle posted direct links to the Mig 21 QUICK action was taken from me and the links where removed go a few pages back and look.

Fact, when I went to SAS to have the direct download removed in the HUEY thread they dragged their feet on doing it, they belittled me in that thread name calling and all and then they banned me for being the trouble maker, fact all fact.

Go look here is the whole thread; viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34006

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Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Beowolff - 08.06.2013

londo16 Wrote:
Quote:however... you have ZERO right to DEMAND anything from me.
This is all I need to know, asked for proof, then cries out how dare you make demands to me!!!
Beo your right when I say I dont know the whole story but what I've seen do far is enough to base a conclusion(I know another upper-crust word to distort the truth) you claim that SAS is run like a gang of thugs who sick their "vicious attack dog" GJE52 on their enemies then ban whoever doesn't fall in line. I never seen anything like on any of the forums. The only responses viciously on any forum is you.
You claim SAS wronged DM when the posted direct links to his works, on this we agree (the should have asked) but I don't think I'm getting the full story from anybody here, you post screenshots of selected posts instead of the whole thread(talk about spin-doctoring) and think we should all believe that is the entire story, sorry not buying it. And let's not forget DM let same thing happen here with the MiG-21 and Ice_Eagle, I didn't see any outrage from you since, you know, you stand against such ammoral actions
The only conclusion(that upper-crust word again) that I'm left to draw is that as much as claim that certain members of the SAS are thugs who try and "distort" issuses, the only one doing that is you. I know this won't change your perception of my understanding of the issue and I know you really don't care because I'm just a "visitor", just a lowly serf not part of your treeho..I mean "family" and how dare I question you. Perhaps FM needs some new site rules like this.....

We must not question the master.

lol, I could have SWORN that you stated in your first and original post here that you'd have 'NOTHING ELSE TO SAY' about any of this. d'oh! :lol: :Smile) :Smile) hahaha! ---now how did I know 'that' statement was going to be big, bold-faced lie??? :roll:

londo16 Wrote:Don't worry masters, this lowly serf won't speak out against you anymore

as you freely admit... 'you don't know the whole' story, nor do you care to (obviously.) ---and that makes you what? ---smart somehow? ---gives you free license to speak, somehow? ---allows you to make claims and draw conclusions, somehow?

tell me, bub... how does not KNOWING the whole story give 'you' ANY of those rights? d'oh! :roll:

the smart thing to do in that sort of situation would be to keep your mouth closed, yet OPEN up your brain and 'find out a few' things before spewing crap that you know NOTHING about. ---don't ya think? but again, as I said, that would be the smart thing to do. instead you open your mouth and SPEW mindlessly whether you know it to be true or not...cause you somehow think you've got the right to do it.

i'm also pretty well convinced you're not who you 'say' you are. lol... in fact, you're beginning to sound a WHOLE lot like Alpha there, buddy. or maybe one of his lil' buddies. so perhaps DM here should take a good and closer look at your origins (you've barely got 16 or 17 posts here) and just 'see' if you're who and what you claim to be.

chances are he'll win a prize when he does. :wink:

but regardless of that... common sense would say that if you don't know what you're talking about, KEEP A LID on it. otherwise, you only underline your lack of knowledge and general ignorance on the subject to whomever reads what spews out of your mouth.

whoops! :OO but then there I went and said...'common' sense, didn't I? :-? so sadly it is doubtful you'll take my 'good' and 'sensible' advice. ---just like Alpha didn't either. :mrgreen:

the MASTER, out! :Smile)

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - londo16 - 08.06.2013

Hello DM(sorry can't spell your name)
I apologise if I gave the idea that the links were still active for I know they were down when i made the post my apologises if anybody got the wrong idea. And I have read through that entire topic and as I said post direct links without your permission was wrong, I just don't believe that you are totally innocent in the issue, just like all admit that SAS team isn't totally innocent in that incident either, it takes two to tango you know. Not trying to spin it, just giving my perception on the matter.

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - londo16 - 08.06.2013

Beowolf, first I'm glad you like the nickname Big Grin , as for not saying anything else sorry couldn't help it I like debating to much, and every time you say I dont have the right to speak on any matter proves that the only one on any forum that thinks their above anybody else is you. Sure I might not know the whole story but I believe the fact that I'm human with what I think is a functioning brain gives the right draw my own conclusions based of what perceive around me.
As for me being AlphaHotel2000(?) nope I'm Londo16 here and SAS, was also on FM tell you banned me at my request.
And if I don't have the right to speak my mind here then ban me, cause the freedom to voice my opinion in a respectful manner shouldn't be restricted on any forum.
I would say I was done but I would just be lying

Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Beowolff - 08.06.2013

londo16 Wrote:I would say I was done but I would just be lying

hey... nothing NEW there is there?

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Re: Ice Eagle's Hanger - Deutschmark - 08.06.2013

londo16 Wrote:Hello DM(sorry can't spell your name)
I apologise if I gave the idea that the links were still active for I know they were down when i made the post my apologises if anybody got the wrong idea. And I have read through that entire topic and as I said post direct links without your permission was wrong, I just don't believe that you are totally innocent in the issue, just like all admit that SAS team isn't totally innocent in that incident either, it takes two to tango you know. Not trying to spin it, just giving my perception on the matter.

You can believe how you like, I don't care its a free world we live in, but its all right there for you or anyone to look at.

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