Junkers Ju-86 - Printable Version

Junkers Ju-86 - Printable Version

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Junkers Ju-86 - Slow - 27.05.2008

Maybe as one of my following project: the Ju-86:

The Junkers Ju 86 was first flown as an airliner and later converted to a bomber, as was the case of other early German medium bombers. In 1934 the Ju 86 was one of the most advanced aircraft. The Junkers team under Zindel built an efficient aircraft with double-wing flaps and outward-retracting main gears. The D-1 with diesel engines was put into service with the Luftwaffe to become the standard medium bomber. The E-series was faster with the BMW radial engines. The K-series, powered by Swedish Bristol engines, was the fastest of all. Forty K's were built by Junkers, and 16 by Saab.
Ju 86 first saw combat in Spain as one of the weapons tested by the Luftwaffe in the Spanish Civil War. It fulfilled its role well, but the early versions were vulnerable even to biplane fighters. Many D and E bombers fought in Poland, which was their last major operational theater. Later some converted Ju86s, designated Junkers Ju 86P, served as high-altitude bombers and reconnaissance planes over Britain and Russia

Engine:
Ju 86D:
Model: Junkers Jumo 205C
Type: 6-cylinder opposed-piston diesels
Number: Two Horsepower: 600hp

Ju 86E & G
Model: BMW 132
Type: 9-cylinder radials
Number: Two Horsepower: 800 or 880hp

Ju 86K:
Model: Mercury XIX
Type: 9-cylinder radials
Number: Two Horsepower: 905hp

Ju 86P & R:
Model: Junkers Jumo 207A-1 or 207B-3/V
Type: turbo-charged opposed-piston diesels
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,000hp

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Dimensions:
Wing span:
Typical: 22.6m (73 ft. 10 in.)
Ju 86P: 25.6m (84 ft.)
Ju 86R: 32m (105 ft.)
Length:
Typical: 17.9m (58 ft. 8

- Slow - 27.05.2008

[Image: junkers_ju86_3v.jpg]

- vanir - 27.05.2008

The export/license-production versions used Bristol radials, they're easy. The German one used boxer 6-cylinder diesels so that'll be tricky, I guess they sort of look like the front of a Morane-Saulnier 405. The high altitude versions (the P and R variants) used turbocharged diesels based on the earlier JuMo 205 (the 207V). Ceiling was something like 6 or 7km otherwise.
Later production German Ju-86 used 800hp BMW 132 radials and were used as transports, owing to the type's declared obsolescence as a bomber.

I think it's like the Wellington. An important type early on, will really expand a BoB campaign with the new maps coming. But isn't something you'd actually count on achieving any objectives. Good target practise for Hurricane pilots and so slow they can follow them halfway home just to make sure every last one is shot down :lol:

I'm all for it. Love that authentic feel we're developing here.

ju - zeppo - 27.05.2008

it would make a nice plane but 1 it was not used in bob apart from high flying recon missions i dont think the parts tp make a good model are in the game it kinda has a shape all of it own s zeppo

- vanir - 27.05.2008

Quote:not used in bob apart from high flying recon missions

You sure? I mean, I would've thought so but have seen doco's where they showed "Battle of Britain footage" with Ju-86D's forming up. I figured, well it's possible they were used in some early stages, a lot of old models were thrown in near the start.

But true, back in Poland is where everything but the kitchen sink was used. Ju-52's flew (incendiary) bombing missions, He-111F's were still in numbers...I think like one squadron of Me-110 were available (handed to LG1 for tactical development), the newly formed Zerst

RE BOB - zeppo - 27.05.2008

AIRCRAFT USED IN BOB
he111 The he59 used as red cross rescue plane for pilots downed in the channel
do17 do 215b do18 do 24 the latter two recon and checking the german floating bouys which could hold 2 pilots
he115 mine laying
ju 88
ju87 withdrawn after heavy losses
me110 with drawn after heavy losses thats after being escorted by 109s
ju86 recon missions at high altitude
fw 200 used for anti shipping attacks from april the 8th 1940through till the end of the battle also used againt liverpool as a night bomber by kg40
me109 e3/e4
ITALIAN
FIAT BR20
FIAT CR42 FALCO lol s zeppo source battle of britain by jon lake

Re: RE BOB - char_aznable - 27.05.2008

Some Ju-86s were used also by SAAF against Italians in East Africa, they were better than Italian bombers Caproni Ca.133 and SIAI SM.81, but not than SM.79.

OT:

zeppo Wrote:ITALIAN
FIAT BR20
FIAT CR42 FALCO lol s zeppo source battle of britain by jon lake

There were also Fiat G.50bis (20

- ILV_Aquila_Noctis - 27.05.2008

vanir Wrote:The export/license-production versions used Bristol radials, they're easy. The German one used boxer 6-cylinder diesels so that'll be tricky, I guess they sort of look like the front of a Morane-Saulnier 405. The high altitude versions (the P and R variants) used turbocharged diesels based on the earlier JuMo 205 (the 207V). Ceiling was something like 6 or 7km otherwise.
Later production German Ju-86 used 800hp BMW 132 radials and were used as transports, owing to the type's declared obsolescence as a bomber.

I think it's like the Wellington. An important type early on, will really expand a BoB campaign with the new maps coming. But isn't something you'd actually count on achieving any objectives. Good target practise for Hurricane pilots and so slow they can follow them halfway home just to make sure every last one is shot down :lol:

I'm all for it. Love that authentic feel we're developing here.

Diesel???? Confused

hock:
Now THAT would be interesting Big Grin

- Zorin - 27.05.2008

I have the complete manual for the Ju86A-1,D-1.

As for the use in BoB, what you have seen was most likely a formation of Ju86 during the Spanish civil war. You should be able to tell by the difference in unit codes.

- MrOblongo - 27.05.2008

Ju 86 was used by Chilean Air Force also... good for a what if in the Malvinas Map Tongue

- Vpmedia - 27.05.2008

Hungary used it against the slovaks with moderate success and I find it pretty funny that we dont get the Avia and the Letov in the final patch but probably will see this plane flying over Slovakia Smile

- Zorin - 27.05.2008

ILV_Aquila_Noctis Wrote:
vanir Wrote:The export/license-production versions used Bristol radials, they're easy. The German one used boxer 6-cylinder diesels so that'll be tricky, I guess they sort of look like the front of a Morane-Saulnier 405. The high altitude versions (the P and R variants) used turbocharged diesels based on the earlier JuMo 205 (the 207V). Ceiling was something like 6 or 7km otherwise.
Later production German Ju-86 used 800hp BMW 132 radials and were used as transports, owing to the type's declared obsolescence as a bomber.

I think it's like the Wellington. An important type early on, will really expand a BoB campaign with the new maps coming. But isn't something you'd actually count on achieving any objectives. Good target practise for Hurricane pilots and so slow they can follow them halfway home just to make sure every last one is shot down :lol:

I'm all for it. Love that authentic feel we're developing here.

Diesel???? hock:
Now THAT would be interesting

Most of the german flying boats were equipped with Jumo diesels.

- GerritJ9 - 27.05.2008

The diesel engine was an opposed-piston two-stroke engine, with scavenge ports at one end of the cylinder, exhaust ports at the other end and the combustion space in the centre, when both pistons are at their respective TDC. Those familiar with marine diesel engines need only hear the name "Doxford" to understand Big Grin

. The term "boxer" engine is totally incorrect for this design.
I don't have any further details of the Junkers engine design, but I suspect that it had two crankshafts- one at the top of the engine, one at the bottom, connected by a gear train.

- GentleKiller - 27.05.2008

huh? a diesel? Confused

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