[WIP] Projekt "WÜRGER": Focke Wulf FW-190A-3 - Printable Version

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[WIP] Projekt "W - I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008


I asked a cockpit master/expert and the following "FAKED" screenshot could be done:
(I reworked the screenshot with photoshop to get the gunsight into it. The cockpit skin is made by "Flushy" and the gunsight is a masterpiece of "109" Freddy)


The first speed level performance curves depending on historical documents:



Here is the latest climb speed data:


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- Alien_12 - 02.07.2008

I sold the MOD for the 190 slots (New slots for A2 and A3), but i haven't time and when i came to AAA back, it was deleted. I don't remember who done that great feature.

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- RAF_Magpie - 02.07.2008

Alien_12 Wrote:I sold the MOD for the 190 slots (New slots for A2 and A3), but i haven't time and when i came to AAA back, it was deleted. I don't remember who done that great feature.

IT IS NOT ALLOWED HERE!!! ANY LINKS WILL RESULT IN ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/BANNING that includes PMs!!!

It is not up for debate! This mod contains files that conflict with AAA policy

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- I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008

Did I post these informations in the wrong topic?

"Slot" means, if you want to create a new aircraft, you also have to create a new slot?

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- RAF_Magpie - 02.07.2008

Nothing to do w/your post, but the mod Alien_12 referred to.

Slot is indeed needed for new a/c if it has a unique FM/WM/DM.

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- I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008

This post was updated: 03.07.2008
Reason: I put all the inforamtion up into my first post

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- Guest - 02.07.2008

Of course,the one that will create the A-3 must give it a realistic performance.
I'm sick of the "speedink turtle" (the A-4) that Oleg gave us in the IL-2....
It's like flying a brick..When you point it towards the ground,it's heavy and it speeds up at max dive speed for few seconds,but when you put it into a sharp turn....It's bleeds energy and have enormous AoA's,and it looses it's speed again for few seconds,which leads to the tendency to stall quickly...(this is what we have ingame of course.. :lol: )

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- Strafe - 02.07.2008

Don't forget that in Fw190A all controls works fine at "any speed" was reported in NACA and Kurt Tank tests.

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- I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008

I/JG54_Gringo Wrote:Of course,the one that will create the A-3 must give it a realistic performance.
I'm sick of the "speedink turtle" (the A-4) that Oleg gave us in the IL-2....
It's like flying a brick..When you point it towards the ground,it's heavy and it speeds up at max dive speed for few seconds,but when you put it into a sharp turn....It's bleeds energy and have enormous AoA's,and it looses it's speed again for few seconds,which leads to the tendency to stall quickly...(this is what we have ingame of course.. :lol: )

If I whould fly a FW190 with max. dive Speed and I make a sharp turn, I will loose a wing. But i cant see it because my view turns black. Edit: No blood in my head ;-)

It is a normal physical effect loosing energy when you make a sharp turn at high speed. I whould not change this. If you want to do this, you logical will have to "correct" the performance of the A4 too. And the A4 is Olegs plane. It is like touching a diva or breaking with gods laws :lol:

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- Slow - 02.07.2008

I/JG27_Waggel Wrote:Too much blood in my head ;-)

It is a normal physical effect loosing energy when you make a sharp turn at high speed. I whould not change this. If you want to do this, you logical will have to "correct" the performance of the A4 too. And the A4 is Olegs plane. It is like touching a diva or breaking with gods laws :lol:

1: NOT ENOUGH blood if you turn and your sight turns black.
2: It's too much blead.

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- I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008

Yes you are right. I practiced it in the roller coaster when I was a child.

Sorry for the wrong information, i will correct it. :roll:

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- Guest - 02.07.2008

Yes...above 810 km/h you'll loose not only your wing. :lol:
I use this always when engaging defensive against a P-51..Diving,then turn sharply between 800-805 km/h.If the pony follows..,he'll lost his wings.The 190 don't have this problem at this speed .

I meant that....You see,the P-51 have a nice smooth turn at any speed.For example at high speeds it turns sharply and smoothly without loosing too much speed,it should be the same for the 190,but what we have in game???
The ingame 190...: While turning your cockpit is shacking like there's earthquake + too much bleed in you airspeed,caused of the too big weight that Oleg've putted on this aircraft.
I can even give you a test tracks to see exactly what i mean .

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- I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008

A squad mate of mine talked with an FW-190 veteran some time time ago. He flew several varaints of the FW-190. There are points where the performance of the 190 was cut in IL2. But if you want to make the 190 completly historical full realistic, you will not find any allied pilot who wants to fly against you.

For example the Focke Wulf had better turn by performance at low speed against a Mustang. The mustang also had a disatvantage caused by electrical rudder controls. With a FW-190 you could move the Stick "VOLLE KANNE" (very hard) with both hands. You could feel it, when the stick began to shake and to vibrate. A lot of mustang pilots thaught, they can outturn a FW190 and lost their life because the mustang went into a stall and crashed on the ground.

Today the man is over 80 years old and still has his fun with flying in gliders. mental he makes a very good impression (like a young man). He also was very interested to test IL2 sturmovik especially the 190. My squad mate hopes to see him again. Talking about old warbirds and make a test ride with IL2.

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- FC - 02.07.2008

I/JG27_Waggel Wrote:How to change the FM if you use U3: 2xMG 151/20 2xMG17 no ETC500
The FW-190A-4/R1 has 2xMG 151/20 + 2xMG17 + MGFF + ETC501. So it is a standart A4 with ETC501. If you compare the A4/R1 FM and the A4/Standart FM you will see a difference between both FMs which is a result caused by the ETC501.

So if you know the effects caused by an ETC501 in a FM you can create the FM for the U3: 2xMG 151/20 2xMG17 no ETC500[/color]

If you want to create Focke for west front you need to increase it's HP to 1700HP so you must change existing FM.

Removing the outer cannons doesn't require any work on FM. When you remove weight FM is changed automatically, same thing apply for racks.

FC

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- I/JG27_Waggel - 02.07.2008

First of all I have to say: I have absolutly no idea about how the FM works. So i collect historical data from books and post it here. Other community members can compare the data with their ressources.

So an FM expert can watch this topic and create a new FM for this plane.

Quote:If you want to create Focke for west front you need to increase it's HP to 1700HP so you must change existing FM.

I also read some discussions in my home forum about reduced HP of the eastern front Focke Wulf models. They said, it was a compromise because a lot of russian planes do not have the HP like a Focke Wulf. The luftwaffe reduced the loading pressure of the machines to guaranty a long life for the motor. If you permanenty fly against Yak1, you do not need much horsepower. But if you visit a server where only La5 are flying around you will get a nice 3d chess adventure with your FW-190A-4. :wink:

The western front FW190A-3 and A-4 had 1700HP or 1250 kw but i do not know the HP of th eastern front FW190-A4.

The best thing whould be a historical performance curve of an FW-190A-3.

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