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Impossible turns - Under - 30.10.2008

I would like to know how people can make an impossiblly sharp turn and not black out. This has baffled me for a long tim and I want to know if there are any tactics on how to make sharp turns without the blackout.

A couple of days ago I was in game (109-G2) with a spit following me (.3 behind) I turned sharp blacked out and then killed. This has also happened to me the other way. Following behind a spit he turned sharp I followed, I blacked out then killed by the spit that just out turned me.

Yes, for all those wondering it was a 69th member. They sure love those spits.

I have flown the spit and tried to make that turn and blacked out no matter what I did.

Any help would be great.

- roger-wilco-66 - 30.10.2008

practice the Anti G Straining Maneuver (AGSM)

Big Grin

- {HVY}A10inbound - 30.10.2008

Well a lot of there's a fair number of variables of why you would black out before them. Number one your simply flying faster, so when he turns at a slower speed you bank your aircraft to turn with him at a higher speed accelerating in the turn much quicker than him and you black out quicker because there is more g-force on your pilots body.

But when your dealing with pestey 69th I know a little trick to out turn them or anyone for that matter. When your pulling a turn and you begin to black out fly the aircraft from external view (I'm willing to bet the 69th uses this too) and when your pilot is in a complete black out and you have a dead stick then just add full up elevator trim. Few people know that flaw with this game, even know the pilot is blacked out your trim controls will still work. This is also useful when your blacked out headed for the ground, use elevator trim to pull out.

- Goshawk - 30.10.2008

Another is to remember to cut throttle as you turn. Also, you can punch it and force your pursuer to hit high speeds to get at you. When you turn and black-out, so will he if he turns :twisted: This often eliminates his initial advantage since if he blacked-out he will probably have lost position, and if he did not turn he will have over-shot. The risk is that you fail to recover from black-out before he loops back.

Spitfire and La pilots typically believe that black-out is modelled more severely in their aircraft than in others. Back when I was newbier and actually debased myself by flying Spits and the occasional La, I also had that opinion.
They're wrong, and so was I. B/O is modelled the same in all aircraft. What that view reflects is the fact Spits and La's are not only hyper-fast, but hyper-agile. The aircraft does not seem like it's going as fast as it is and it turns really, really quickly (Spits can turn with helicopters; La's can out-turn helicopters; and I-185's can out-turn UFO's ... a Yak-3 can do all three, but only if you know how to fly it). Because of this their pilots swing into a turn and black-out instantly because they were A: Going faster than they thought, and B: Turned tighter than they thought and the lights went out in Georgia.

The elevator trim trick is vital. I have avoided many crashes using it 8)

BTW: roger-wilco.
Your name is a redundancy.
Roger means: "I have received and understand your transmission."
Wilco means: "I have received and understand your transmission and will comply." (WilCo, from WILl COmply)
The meaning of Roger is included in Wilco, since one could hardly comply with something one neither received nor understood.
Thus, your name means "I have received and understand your transmission-I have received and understand your transmission and will comply."

It's sort of like saying "Over and Out!" except that that is a contradiction. Over indicates you have more to say and are expecting a reply; Out means you have said everything you have to say and are completely done. Thus, you are either Over, or you are Out. Say that in the military and you're going to hear: "So-and-so, this is me: Are you Over, or are you Out? Over."

- Under - 30.10.2008

I never knew the trim trick and the flying from outside view is a great idea when blacking out. I will definately put those tactics into use.

As far as practicing the (AGSM) it only made me fart, but thanks for trying.

- Guest - 30.10.2008

So its actually a cheat manouver...:evil: one reason why I only fly closed pit.

- Under - 30.10.2008

You are right, it is more of an exploit because anyone can do it and that would also include closed cockpit. You have to use all the advantages you can that the server allows, because everyone else will.


Closed cockpit and comms is definately the way to go for the true IL-2 experience

- Davew - 30.10.2008

Goshawk Wrote:BTW: roger-wilco.
Your name is a redundancy.
Roger means: "I have received and understand your transmission."
Wilco means: "I have received and understand your transmission and will comply." (WilCo, from WILl COmply)
The meaning of Roger is included in Wilco, since one could hardly comply with something one neither received nor understood.
Thus, your name means "I have received and understand your transmission-I have received and understand your transmission and will comply."

It's sort of like saying "Over and Out!" except that that is a contradiction. Over indicates you have more to say and are expecting a reply; Out means you have said everything you have to say and are completely done. Thus, you are either Over, or you are Out. Say that in the military and you're going to hear: "So-and-so, this is me: Are you Over, or are you Out? Over."

Roger Wilco -
Roger - Understood
Wilco - Will Comply.

Not a redundancy. It is implied that "roger" is included in the transmission of "wilco" but it is equally acceptable to explicitly state it, in which case it would still only read "Understood, will comply"

- {HVY}A10inbound - 30.10.2008

You guys are splitting hairs, I am real pilot and I never use wilco.

- Davew - 30.10.2008

{HVY}A10inbound Wrote:You guys are splitting hairs, I am real pilot and I never use wilco.

Hahaha I'm a real pilot and I use both where applicable.

But I agree, it's semantics

flaps - Reap - 31.10.2008

Set ur flaps up on your mouse roller :wink: If you do this you go from having only combat/takeoff/landing with exception of spit which only has flaps up or landing. The roller on the mouse can give you at least 20 or so flap degree of settings. In turn Throttle back as you go into turn and at same time roll some flaps as needed, trust me you will be turning tighter than ever, now give em Hell!! 8)

Good luck!!

~S~ Reap

- Goshawk - 03.11.2008

Davew Wrote:
Goshawk Wrote:BTW: roger-wilco.
Your name is a redundancy.
Roger means: "I have received and understand your transmission."
Wilco means: "I have received and understand your transmission and will comply." (WilCo, from WILl COmply)
The meaning of Roger is included in Wilco, since one could hardly comply with something one neither received nor understood.
Thus, your name means "I have received and understand your transmission-I have received and understand your transmission and will comply."

It's sort of like saying "Over and Out!" except that that is a contradiction. Over indicates you have more to say and are expecting a reply; Out means you have said everything you have to say and are completely done. Thus, you are either Over, or you are Out. Say that in the military and you're going to hear: "So-and-so, this is me: Are you Over, or are you Out? Over."

Roger Wilco -
Roger - Understood
Wilco - Will Comply.

Not a redundancy. It is implied that "roger" is included in the transmission of "wilco" but it is equally acceptable to explicitly state it, in which case it would still only read "Understood, will comply"


LOL, I learned that in BASIC TRAINING in an actual, real ARMY - Honest, we had machineguns, tanks, assault rifles, hand grenades, bayonets and everything - even uniforms and K-pots! We also had radios, LOL, and courses on prowords employed during radio communications.

So, how could you comply with something you didn't receive or understand? In military communications efficiency is the ideal; the less said to get the message across the better. They never use two words when one will do.

It is a redundancy, since the meaning of Roger is included in Wilco. By the way: My first PMOS was Single Channel Radio Operator.

- Goshawk - 03.11.2008

Ah, I get it. You're in civil aviation. Civilians never use these things correctly because they never understand their uses completely.

In your world you are probably correct.

I have used both. When receiving a transmission that is just informational, you tend to use "Roger, Over." But, when receiving instructions or direct orders ("So-and-so, this is me; get over there and do that! Out.") you should be using "Wilco. Out."

Roger and Wilco - canadjn - 12.02.2009

You said:I have used both. When receiving a transmission that is just informational, you tend to use "Roger, Over." But, when receiving instructions or direct orders ("So-and-so, this is me; get over there and do that! Out.") you should be using "Wilco. Out."

When the guy transmitting to you said 'out' then the conversation is finished. If you then say 'wilco, out' everyone will wonder either who you are talking to or where you learned to talk on the radio.

- juhroen89 - 18.02.2009

to comeback at ''unders'' question. Try to find some info about engine management. There are some topics on this forum, its really useful.
when i started il2 i read pdf guide about il2 dogfighting you can find it on google and maybe here at all aircraft arcade ''dunno'' (il2 dogfight_final) it gives you allot of info about aircraft/pilots online/offline, tactics and more

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