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Bf-109 Defensive Tactics - Dr. Strangelove - 02.01.2009
Well, I didn't find much on Bf-109 defensive tactics, so here we are.
Every online map seems to have a nice selection of Spits for the 69th and others to choose from, and a nice set of Bf-109s for us thrillseekers to choose from as well...
The Bf-109 is basically an intercept (B&Z) fighter, and not much of what people would think of a "dogfighting" plane, since only a few models can actually turn decently.
Now, the question on all our minds:
What do we do when Mr. Needacar ( :wink: ) catches us at a bad time (say, 2,500ft. and less than 200mph)?
You can't really expect to turn away from the Spit, or outrun them since they already has the advantage there. Zooming vertical doesn't help in the least, either...
I don't believe that the Spitfire is the ultimate WWII fighter, every plane has strengths and weaknesses (the Spitfire has more strengths :mrgreen: ), and they can be exploited to your advantage.
So, if anyone here who has much more experience than myself (which isn't hard to exceed) in the good ol' Bf-109s, please share your tactics and strategies.
Tactics - liamp2oo6 - 02.01.2009
Well I Have Flowen 109s For About 1 and a half years now and on defensive tactics well theres somethings i usally do depending on the model of 109 i am in if its the g2 i rarely run i stay and fight if the model of spit isnt over ixc. If am in a 109 and i get cought low and slow i usally try to bring the enemys plane down to the minimum flight speeds and lowest energy as possible using fully my flaps at all time jinkying and jerkying around to try and get the spit of off my tail and wing tip to wing where i will then try to engage in a horiszontal sissors or vertical sissors. Beacuse what i have found out (well my own opionion of the spit) is at slow speed (280khp or less) it is to responsive and in the hands of an unexpreicned pilot they will stall it or make and mistake alowing to regain the upper hand in the fight. The Other tactic i use if i am 2vs1 is plain and simple hit the deck 110% rads closed run for your life. Spiraling downwards with flaps set to takeoff can sometimes give you an advantage agaist some planetypes. Hope this has helped you Zitkus.(usaully found in the wings over europe server
- RedChico - 02.01.2009
Thats simple.
The first advantage in a spit it's the over confidence of its pilot. 8)
- migojarsk - 02.01.2009
when spit goes quite fast it looses its roll rate so it can be used against it + a hard split-s should get him off from your 6 for some time
- Freiwillige - 02.01.2009
Break into your opponent and act out as if your gonna turn fight with him. Once his energy is waisted trying to latch on to your tail spiral climb holding the nose on the verge of a stall. 109's have excellent low speed controll and the best climb angle, They can really hang on their props when others will spin at such slow speeds trying to hold their nose up on you. Worked in WWII and works in sim. Problem is that if you have other enemy's above you your a juicy target. Get a wingman! Dont get low and dont get slow! Oh and also Get a wingman :!:
- md_wild_weasel - 03.01.2009
as a regular spit and 109 flyer, heres what i would do, firstly a 109 can climb faster than a spit, remember this. A spitfire can out turn you at all speeds , but i have found that a spit will black out first in a high speed turn. Using full flaps in a turn(109) although will help you a little it will leave you vulnerable to other enemy spitfires.. rely on a wingman..the best way to turn on a spitfire(only if you have to) is by using the "wing over manouver" or the "scissors" although the latter is probably not advisable against the cw spit. I have been outmanouverd in a scissors manouver as the 109 has better roll rate .Remember in the hands of a good pilot the 109 is far superior than the spitfire. if you turn and burn against a spit you die.. take the fight to a spitfire on your terms, most lw planes are hunters and should be used in such a way. alt=energy = life
- RedChico - 03.01.2009
migojarsk Wrote:when spit goes quite fast it looses its roll rate so it can be used against it + a hard split-s should get him off from your 6 for some time
I see a problem there, the 109 also suffers from that.
- terrorfleiger - 27.01.2009
" Remember in the hands of a good pilot the 109 is far superior than the spitfire."
Weasel, I'm not sure what to make of this. In certain situations the 109 had an edge over some of the earlier Mks of Spitfire but this was no longer the case by the middle of the War and certainly, by the time the War in Europe was drawing to a close, the Spitfire was by far the more capable of the two fighters.
Jets excluded, as far as the fighting in the West is concerned, there is simply nothing, NOTHING, that is better in a one-on-one fight than a Mk 9. If there is an exception it is probably the Mk 14.
- MrJim1979 - 05.02.2009
I fly the 109 quite a bit off line and the things that stand out most about it, to me, are as follows:
Good low speed handling.
Good acceleration.
I don't know if the rest of the forum will agree but to me the best tactic be to exploit that low speed handling to cause an attacking Spitfire to overshoot so you can separate from him, the more distance you can put between you and him the better. Eventually your 109's responsive acceleration should allow you to escape a contemporary Spitfire. (I usually fly 109 E, F and early G)
I am not sure about comparative rates of climb from low altitude and would be hesitant to attempt much climbing until I was satisfied that my separation distance from the Spitfire was enough (4-5 km) to allow me to escape before attempting to get the upper hand on him.
Against Spitfires from the MkIX on I have no idea except to make yourself as difficult a target as possible and hope for a snap shot or a lucky break.
These tactics are by no means guaranteed but, to me, they present your best chance of survival. I hope they are of some use.
Hopefully there are some older heads than me who can give us a better appreciation of the 109.
- Chrull - 24.06.2009
Generally when I'm caught low by a spit Mk.IX flying my G-6 I'm screwed :? But what I usually do is fly really, really, REALLY low. I go flat out with rads closed jerking my aircraft around trees, down behing buildings etc. whenewer out of sight I turn in a direction that I think will fool my chaser. I take big risks! sometimes the spit gives up the chase or crash. I try to newer fly straight nor make any maneuvers that bleed exessive speed and run to the nearest "flak" area to get help).
If you got balls you might want to try this maneuver.
Roll and turn your me109G-6 to loose speed and make the spit get closer (don't get hit :wink: ). At around 400km/h level out and pretend your running away, bank the me109 from side to side but don't turn (don't go to fast but use 110% throttle). Next apply some upp trim and bank your 109 to the left, now cut your throttle to 0, deploy full flaps (you might wan't to open the radiators) and pull the stick to your guts (do all of that at the same time) making an almost unbelieble sharp left turn that almost certainly caught the chaser off guard. hold the turn just a few secs and close flaps, jerk you'r throttle to turn towards the spit as sharply as possible. If done correctly the spit should be somewhere infront of you turning or climbing. Now you have just a few seconds to score hits on your chaser. If you miss you'r doomed and if you hit 8)
A note is that experienced spitpilots can render this maneuver useless with a bit of fast thinking and it's generally a dangerus maneuver.
Newer the less I like doing this as a last effort cuz the spitfire pilot will deffinetley get the shivers when you point your big nasty gun at him, even if you fail this maneuver clearly say, don't mess with me punk!!!:twisted:
- gunkan - 24.06.2009
1.-Use the trim in the 109.
2.- Bail
- XenephusVC - 27.06.2009
fly a hellcat instead. YOU SPIT FANS GOT NOTHING ON THE HELLCAT!!!! :twisted: