1946 USAAF Unusual P-51 Proposal - Printable Version

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1946 USAAF Unusual P-51 Proposal - Guest - 15.01.2009

This was a North American proposal fighter. It is basically a forward swept mixed power P-51. If the Lippisch P 13 is being made, why not this crazy thing. :lol:

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- Guest - 15.01.2009

I was planning on it. I was just seeing if there was an interest for these planes before I get committed.

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- Radoye - 15.01.2009

The materials available at the time could not yet handle forward swept wings.

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- Guest - 15.01.2009

That seems strange, what about the He 162D.

So what model of 3D Max would I need and where can I get it cheap or free (I don't have a grand to drop on this). Oh yeah, though they may not be as popular, it is possible to make working and accurate models of these planes using DATCOM. That much I do know.

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- Davew - 15.01.2009

162D never actually flew. Or the TA183. Or the Lerche.....

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- Guest - 15.01.2009

Nor did this for that matter... Just something that would be fun to fly...

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- Radoye - 15.01.2009

Davew Wrote:162D never actually flew. Or the TA183. Or the Lerche.....

^^^ what he said.

Though Ju-287 did fly, forward-swept wings and all, but there was an excessive amount of material fatigue and deformation on the wings that could cause them to fall off. This was caused by flutter under certain regimes of flight that takes place with this wing configuration and cannot be avoided. The first truly successful forward-swept wing plane was the Grumman X-29 which first flew in 1984, by then the available composite materials were capable of handling such stresses.

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- Guest - 15.01.2009

Exactly, it would need composit wings. While impratical for Germany to make proper forward wings, America feasebly could due to the vast amounts of materials and factories available. This wasn't exactly a serious request just harmless speculation on an interest in such unusual fighter types before I get the equimpent to start modeling. :oops: Sorry for any of you who took it as such...

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- Brophmeister - 16.01.2009

Radoye Wrote:The first truly successful forward-swept wing plane was the Grumman X-29 which first flew in 1984, by then the available composite materials were capable of handling such stresses.

Perhaps you mean "high performance forward sweep plane". Aircraft exhibiting some degree of forward sweep have been flying successfuly since a lotearlier than 1984. For example the Let L-13 which has been flying since 1956, with over 3000 built to date.

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- Slow - 16.01.2009

Germany HAD forward-swept wings my comrades:

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- Metatron - 16.01.2009

I definitely favor real planes such as the above (even prototypes) to almost fictional planes.

I think 1946 should have included such aircraft rather than for example the lagg-3RD that not only never existed, but isn't even an interesting design.

Again no disrespect to the il-2 team as we would have nothing to mod if it weren't for them.

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- Radoye - 16.01.2009

MustangNF Wrote:While impratical for Germany to make proper forward wings, America feasebly could due to the vast amounts of materials and factories available.

America did try, they modified a Bell X-1 to such configuration to test it but the same problems Germans encountered repeated themselves. The materials required for this to work were not yet invented.

Slow Wrote:Germany HAD forward-swept wings my comrades:

I mentioned the Ju-287, as well as the fact it suffered from wing deformation and material fatigue...

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- Chaoic16 - 16.01.2009

MustangNF,

I am very happy with what you are trying to do, bring an alternative history to the historical WWII simulator. And doing these in realistic way is already possible, and I even have spend alot of time researching and developing theories for finding best 'predicted' FM for aircraft that have not flown before at viewtopic.php?t=7634 from my sticked thread at (The link is inoperative).

However, the reason why I have been supporting 'what if' alternative history is because the history have been repeated in many precious simulator all over and over, so this time with given different powerful tools, it is already possible to develop alternative history where alternative history can be developed realistically. Even if experimental and 'what if' plane is and will never be 100 percent accurate, its better than nothing when we have tools that can help us to predict what these would of flown. Not only alternative history would give us great amount of fun, it also would give us unique lessons and experience that people that never get to experience thing virtually.

So that is why I strongly support both historical and alternative history in IL-2 1946 where these can come together. And even if one of you disagree with it, you dont have to fly these add-on of experimental and 'what if aircraft. and even if oen of you still disagree with me, at least, be open-minded about it a bit, and that is all I ask of you to do so.

I know there are alot of these whom always wonder what it is like to fly experiment and 'what if' aircraft that have not gotten a chance to become part of history and how would it have changed the history? These very curious have been among us for very long time, and now there this is an opportunity where we AAA community can actually bring it to alive! Slow modder is excellent example, because he have great curious about P.13a and want to develop it, so that we can experience flying these in IL-2.

so MustangNF, whatever you do, keep posting more requests for experimental and 'what if' aircraft since there is already many historical aircraft requests. So keep them coming! And at the same time, if you also feel like developing experimental and 'what if' aircraft, go for it!

*thumb up*

8)


Chaoic out...

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- HH Enforcer - 20.01.2009

As I have posted elsewhere, my own Redstar//Whitestar 1947 cmpn is an 18 month long project that's nearly finished, and I could certainly use some more post war type AC and objects. Though I have moved the year forward to 1948 to correspond with the Berlin crisis and make some AC use more practical, various limitations keep this a bit limited, but I have made extensive use of the VP media skin mod as an option without affecting its use in 408. This is the ongoing thread at ubizoo.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/ ... 8791000676

While the P-80 and other planes are quite realistic, I've done a bit of improvising, like using the Ta-183 as an La-15 (was the inspiration and uses the same exact layout), the tanker with jury rigged bow doors as an LST (a common FMB use-even a static object version would be helpful), many other "arrangements" to simulate a shooting war over the disputed Kuriles and how it affects Japan.

Many of the mods suggested on here could really be helpful in such scenarios, and planes could be added up to the late 50s. So many scenarios and maps we have would benifit so much, eg the Sinai map could be used in a 1956 scenario with the Meteor that's being made, and maybe a Mig-15 etc. Just an example.

Thanx for all the work you guys do for us on here.

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