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New to IL2 crazy P47D - RRMerlin - 23.03.2009

I am new to IL2 in a sense that I used to fly with wind/turbulence and stalls/spins and all of the other realistic settings turned off, and I have learned that IL2 can get pretty boring if your not challenging yourself and winning all the time. So I'm trying to relearn how to fly with all of the realistic settings on. I have been jumping through many different planes trying to relearn their weaknesses and strengths and I finally came to one of my favorite planes the P47D. I don't know what I'm doing wrong because I have been pretty successful so far controlling many other planes and knowing how far I can push them: Spit MK Vb, P51, hurricanes, and P40's. But when I try to fly "aggressively" in the P47D such as diving turns or climbing turns or turns that breach 10 degrees of roll, I lose control and go into a snap roll. It doesn't seem to matter how fast I'm going either at one point I was going around 420 KPH and tried to turn into a passing BF109 and I snap rolled and lost control. Sorry for the long winded explanation any suggestions would really help. Thanks.

- F4U-1_Corsair - 23.03.2009

P47's, simply put, are solid metal jugs. they make P51's and other planes look nimble. advantages? How many other planes have you seen take a 30mm round and only get a dent in the wing? you have to treat them gently, slow turns, and keep your speed up.

- rossmum - 23.03.2009

Many, many Thunderbolt pilots were killed in mock dogfights at low altitude with British Sptifire pilots; they had to actually ban them from doing so, because the Spitfire would pull a hard turn, the Jug would try to follow, and the pilot would lose control with no space to recover.

- VC-81_BOLTER - 23.03.2009

Aside from its reputation as a ground attack aircraft the Thunderbolt was best used at altitudes above 21,000 feet. It was here that the Jug truly comes into its own. At 32,000 feet there is NO other aircraft aside from jets which can match it. Maintaining 450 MPH TAS is simple and diving to 25,000 at 700 MPH TAS and then returning to 32,000 is doable. We do this each night in the AAA server on HyperLobby.

No Spitfire, Bf-109 or even a Ta-152 can defeat a Thunderbolt up there. Only the Mustang comes close but even then the Thunderbolt is still superior. Below 21,000 feet the performance falls markedly and at the altitudes most AAA action takes place at (5,000 and lower) the old Jug is a screaming metal death trap. Heck I wouldn't even take it on a ground attack mission, there are other more well suited planes.

- caldrail - 23.03.2009

rossmum Wrote:Many, many Thunderbolt pilots were killed in mock dogfights at low altitude with British Sptifire pilots; they had to actually ban them from doing so, because the Spitfire would pull a hard turn, the Jug would try to follow, and the pilot would lose control with no space to recover.

Many, many Thunderbolt pilots? That doesn't sound right to me. I certainly haven't heard of any death toll from this activity. Why were P47's fighting mock dogfights against Spitfires when they should have been fighting real ones over Europe? In cases where mock fights are documented, they almost always occur between pilots of the same squadron.

However, Russian pilots did use this tactic against 109's in combat. They would turn tightly at low level and entice the German pilot to follow, hoping he would lose control. It worked.

- Guest - 23.03.2009

VC-81_BOLTER Wrote:At 32,000 feet there is NO other aircraft aside from jets which can match it.


....Ta152 has bad fm......real thing:465 mph @ 29,530 feet (with MW 50), 472mph @ 41,010 feet (with GM 1)...only plane that can equal it's performance above 10000m (33000ft) is P47M......

- VC-81_BOLTER - 23.03.2009

Agreed. This sim is filled with many planes like that! I meant in the game.

- RRMerlin - 24.03.2009

Thanks for all the advice it really helps I guess I'll steer clear of the P47 unless I'm going to plan on fighting at high altitudes I'll have to try that some time. So far I've only played on the AAA server once and got my butt handed to me, but I'm slowly getting used to treating the planes more gently and not just yanking them around like I did when I had all the realism turned off. I really got spoiled by Jane's WW2 Fighters that's the only other WW2 era flight sim I ever really got into.

- US_GRANT - 24.03.2009

I wouldn't abandon the P-47 altogether. You can still use it offline. I fly it regularly in DCG campaigns. Online, however, is a different story. since most DF servers like to get into the fight quick, you are left with little or no time to get the JUG to altitude.

In real life, though, there were many P-47 pilots with pretty good kill records that flew the Jug.

- chris89 - 26.03.2009

I wouldn't completly leave the P47D as it is brillant for Ground attack. Got bounced by 3 FW190s A8's and two of them exhusted ammo on me and i was still flying. I only had to bail as ones machine guns got my Elevator.

But as said, don't attempt to dogfight low level in one, as your asking to die.

- VC-81_BOLTER - 26.03.2009

When we fly high altitude bombing in the AAA server at 25,000 feet lots of potential adversaries come on up to challenge us. But no matter what aircraft they choose the Thunderbolt is king. It retains its energy state better than any other fighter and accelerates faster as well. Its roll rate is phenomanal and without WEP it cruises easily at 450 MPH TAS. Dive one on a target and watch as the Jug quickly goes to 600 or more! No other fighter can do this. They all see parts fall off in the mid 500 range. If you stay really high (read: lower atmospheric pressures) the Jug can get above 700 MPH TAS in a dive.

Watching from my B-29 I can see the contrails like waveform in the sky from above. Then co-alt then below and finally up again. All never below 400 MPH TAS.

40,000 feet in a P-47? No problem. Wheather anyone will try and come up? Doubtful. Will your bombers retrun safe? Most assuredly...

So in summation: if you're one of the instant gratification crowd, or all you want is a qucik dogfight then avoid the P-47. However if you want full realism and historical accuracy? Take a THUNDERBOLT to high altitude and be the KING.

- luther01 - 27.03.2009

i think i may have seen you up there, i tried a month or so ago to get up there in a p-51, because i saw your trails from down below. a p-47 and a p-38 if i remember correctly. i hit the p-38 from range, but got shot up by the p-47 numerous times. you are right it is the king up there

- Tjen il-vec - 07.05.2009

chris89 Wrote:I wouldn't completly leave the P47D as it is brillant for Ground attack. Got bounced by 3 FW190s A8's and two of them exhusted ammo on me and i was still flying. I only had to bail as ones machine guns got my Elevator.

But as said, don't attempt to dogfight low level in one, as your asking to die.

With the latest release of the Spitfire XIV mod for IL2 I thought to have found my favorite plane but after fierce flying to test the XIV thouroughly I decided to stick to my P47D as it is much more lethal and durable as far as BnZ tactics go or duels at high alt.
Usually I fly with a friend wing to wing waiting for any target that comes up or meets us at the same alt. With my reasonable skills I have a 50% kill rate when engaged at the same alt in a fight at high alt and a 70% kill rate when I do BnZ. The P47D can be awesome for this task, however, the "IL2 Jug" doesn't seem to accept a lot of punishment as where one round from a Fw190D9 easily rips the fuselage in half? It looses rudders and airlerons fairly easy as well which seems to be a contradiction of what history about these aircaft learns us. There are numerous tales about the famous durability and amount of punishment it could take up to where enemy fighter shot up all their ammo at a P47 but were not able to knock it out of the sky.

If those features were availabe in Il2 for the P47 Thunderbolt it would defenitely become the most awsome and feared fighter in this game!

Anyway, the P47 does it for me and the last time I flew another fighter has been quite a while. Sometimes I pick a La5FN "Noob fighter" :wink: to kick some ass (and let my ass kicked) on a Russian 'anything goes' server where most of the action happens below 5000ft.

P47 all the way!!!!

Cheers 8)

- Coatimundi - 07.05.2009

I always wanted to take down a bomber at high altitude, I attempted it once in my mc 205, as soon as I started gaining alot of altitude, I noticed a p47 coming down from around the b-29, after its first pass I dived down hoping it would leave me alone. :lol:

The one time I tried to fly a p-47, I crashed near the base, after attempting a soft turn.
These things are like flying SUVs at low alt.

- RRuger - 07.05.2009

Tjen il-vec Wrote:
chris89 Wrote:I wouldn't completly leave the P47D as it is brillant for Ground attack. Got bounced by 3 FW190s A8's and two of them exhusted ammo on me and i was still flying. I only had to bail as ones machine guns got my Elevator.

But as said, don't attempt to dogfight low level in one, as your asking to die.

With the latest release of the Spitfire XIV mod for IL2 I thought to have found my favorite plane but after fierce flying to test the XIV thouroughly I decided to stick to my P47D as it is much more lethal and durable as far as BnZ tactics go or duels at high alt.
Usually I fly with a friend wing to wing waiting for any target that comes up or meets us at the same alt. With my reasonable skills I have a 50% kill rate when engaged at the same alt in a fight at high alt and a 70% kill rate when I do BnZ. The P47D can be awesome for this task, however, the "IL2 Jug" doesn't seem to accept a lot of punishment as where one round from a Fw190D9 easily rips the fuselage in half? It looses rudders and airlerons fairly easy as well which seems to be a contradiction of what history about these aircaft learns us. There are numerous tales about the famous durability and amount of punishment it could take up to where enemy fighter shot up all their ammo at a P47 but were not able to knock it out of the sky.

If those features were availabe in Il2 for the P47 Thunderbolt it would defenitely become the most awsome and feared fighter in this game!

Anyway, the P47 does it for me and the last time I flew another fighter has been quite a while. Sometimes I pick a La5FN "Noob fighter" :wink: to kick some ass (and let my ass kicked) on a Russian 'anything goes' server where most of the action happens below 5000ft.

P47 all the way!!!!

Cheers 8)

Bout time you decided to say something here Tjen, 5 posts, dude! good to see you :wink: Oh yeah, topic, P-47, great plane BTW...