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Ta152C new slot/FM (WIP) - vanir - 09.04.2009

So far we've got EnsignRo and myself on the team, work has begun. Got some fantastic help from the fellers at Luftwaffe Experten (tremendously appreciated, they've really thrown in for us with far more than I could've dreamed), so work is coming along well for an historically improved, more finely balanced (with Oleg's adjustments for game-engine limitations in mind) Ta152C-1/R11 in a new slot with a new FM.

I also propose a Ta152C-3/R11 variant featuring the Mk103M motorkanone (obviously a new WM), as a "Luft46" type in the same vein as the AAA mod Me-410D (the Mk103M hadn't actually entered production by war's end though the C-3 was slated for production alongside the C-1...which did actually enter production, some examples found destroyed at the factory airfield and up to three recorded in Luftwaffe return strength reports for stab/JG301 and stab/JG11...more about this later).

There are a couple of problems with in-game pit too, the fuel guage and some phantom warning light.

What we need terribly is someone who can clone existing a/c into new slots. Any modder willing to help should PM myself or EnsignRo.

I've started this thread for the progress, discussion and development of this project in a more appropriate location than the half dozen threads about it spread over the boards.
If possible, I might request a moderator to please merge the "Ta152C" thread in Spray and Pray as it contains precise FM data suitable for this thread. That's the one titled only "Ta152C" in Spray and Pray.

Big Grin
Cheers.

- Metatron - 09.04.2009

So have you concluded what was wrong with the original model?

- FlyingFinn - 09.04.2009

Metatron Wrote:So have you concluded what was wrong with the original model?
As I have followed the numerous *gringe* threads started by an unnamed person over this and the ensuing debate the following things spring to mind:
Low/medium altidute top speed is too low
Climbrate is too slow
Acceleration to top speed is too slow

Etc.

- FA_Diablo - 09.04.2009

FF Wrote:
Metatron Wrote:So have you concluded what was wrong with the original model?
As I have followed the numerous *gringe* threads started by an unnamed person over this and the ensuing debate the following things spring to mind:
Low/medium altidute top speed is too low
Climbrate is too slow
Acceleration to top speed is too slow

Etc.

That sounds like most of the aircraft i know of.

- Paulo Hirth - 09.04.2009

Thank you so much Vanir and EnsignRo for start the TA project! I can't say how happy i am, you in special Vanir because you really know about historic data, the base for a correct FM and perfectionist view, so we will have a very acurate work.

Here my litle contribuition to TA project:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?kmd0tyowmkd
(This sound is used in D9 and TA)

So let me envite more experts in new slot to join TA project, i have absolute shure will be a great mod!

Thank you again Vanir and EnsignRo!!

- TinyTim - 09.04.2009

Thanks for starting this!

A 1945 fighter, that can be outturned and outclimbed by a 1942 bomber (A-20C), can hardly be considered one if not the best fighters of the war.

- RedChico - 09.04.2009

TinyTim Wrote:Thanks for starting this!

A 1945 fighter, that can be outturned and outclimbed by a 1942 bomber (A-20C), can hardly be considered one if not the best fighters of the war.

What plane are you talking about?

- Pirate - 09.04.2009

Hey Vanir, I know EnsignRo has been looking at the TA152C for a while now. Its good to hear that the project is now moving along Smile If you guys need a beta tester....

- md_wild_weasel - 09.04.2009

excuse my ignorance, but i thought you werent allowed to change FM on stcok planes?

- Tesla - 09.04.2009

I'm pretty sure that as long as it is on a new slot, it it legal.

- fly_zo - 09.04.2009

... yup, for new slot is all go .

just buttons file needs to be submitted to Jolly before posting in any forum section ...


regards
Z

- Guest - 09.04.2009

fly_zo Wrote:... yup, for new slot is all go .

just buttons file needs to be submitted to Jolly before posting in any forum section ...


regards
Z


..IF the new FM is in the buttons file Wink...

- Paulo Hirth - 09.04.2009

The problem with engines sounds sptfire/hurricane start engine sounds is a problem from new button files? do you have this problems?

- vanir - 09.04.2009

Metatron Wrote:So have you concluded what was wrong with the original model?

edited. After some initial confusion we've found weights and measures were understated and engine performance figures were out. Overall this didn't affect maximum level speed capabilities by altitude (if anything a little too fast at sea level) but it did have a dramatic effect on mid range performance and the overall 'feel' of the Ta152C.

Our purpose is to get the historical feel of this excellent Luftwaffe bird as close to the authentic documentation and pilot reports as humanly possible. We are not trying to make a hotrod.

And of course with this mod all AAA site protocols will be strictly observed.

I do however wish to add a second variant, the Ta152C-3 armed with an Mk103M motorkanone. It will otherwise use the same FM. What I have in mind is that this would be the "what if" version and have a similarly stylised WM to the Me410D AAA mod for 1946 campaigning (ie. enhanced late war loadout options based in accordance with genuine planning and near production reality). I'm also considering adding a fuselage drop tank (300l) option on an ETC503 centreline rack for the C-1 (historically planned) and wing tank options for the C-3 for additional range (substituting Fw190G in the long range jabo role).
RLM planning was for this a/c to replace all Fw190A and D types in service use, as well as the zerst

- AIRdomination - 09.04.2009

Wonderful Big Grin Now I wont have to try so hard Tongue :lol: