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Problem with roll effect - stockplane - 05.05.2009

Hallo to all,
i have a problem with torque effect with some
planes in IL-2 1946, planes as Fw190, Bf109, Mc202
ero and IAR80-81 present a great torque effect ( these planes always roll trough right so is very difficult keep a linear direction), that
is'n present with other planes as P40, Hurry and so on. I with to know if is possible mod this aspect for example modifing thecnical parameter of the planes that present this problem.
Thanks in advaced for any kindly informations.

- asheshouse - 05.05.2009

For normal straight and level flight you need to set "Trim" so that the aircraft will fly level with hands off the controls.

You may have to go into the control settings in the game and assign keys to the trim functions.
Trim will need to be adjusted in flight depending on engine speed.

- OberstDanjeje - 05.05.2009

I think the torque effect is too low but in some aircraft the effect is bigger than in other, the P51 is almost without torque effect.

Re: Problem with roll effect - US_GRANT - 05.05.2009

stockplane Wrote:Hallo to all,
i have a problem with torque effect with some
planes in IL-2 1946, planes as Fw190, Bf109, Mc202
ero and IAR80-81 present a great torque effect ( these planes always roll trough right so is very difficult keep a linear direction), that
is'n present with other planes as P40, Hurry and so on. I with to know if is possible mod this aspect for example modifing thecnical parameter of the planes that present this problem.
Thanks in advaced for any kindly informations.

One of the things you have to remember is that not all aircraft have trim capability. The 109 for instance can only be trimed in the elevator; no aileron or rudder trim. Same holds true for some of the russian acft like the I-16 and I-153. No trim. Let's not get started on the Spitfire. Enigine torque quite obvious and no aileron trim so you spend most of your time not in combat trying to fly straight.

But, that can also work in your favor. If you use your torque effect to your advantage just like the old Camel pilots did in WW1. The planes instability was it's greatest asset as long as you knew how to master it it and not fight it.

torque effect - stockplane - 05.05.2009

Thanks to all,
i have just try in flying with torque effect off, is after those test that i post the question abuot.
I believe that the difference between one plane and other is great too much, the real pilot of
Fw-190 or Bf-109 or Zero, Spitfire an so on will be unabled to conduct a decent dogight
in that condition. Is also possible that my idea is wrong but i think that the roll effect in some
planes are nor correct.
Regards.

- caldrail - 05.05.2009

The implementation of torque effect might not be as accurate as possible, but that isn't the problem. What really makes it a pain is that we only have a virtual experience of it. There's no seat of the pants feel, no feedback through our senses and the controls in our hands, and really only a limited viewport to gauge what is going on in our little box of unreality.

All aircraft have torque effects to some degree if they use a propellor (rotary engines having a lot more rotating mass are therefore much worse, but the size, weight, and power behind any propellor are relevant).

Mark Hanna, an experienced warbird pilot, died because of it. His Hispano Buchon (Spanish bf109) met turbulence at low altitude and speed. He apparently attempted to go around, or at least power up and fly through the turbulence, but the aeroplane flipped sideways anyway, at least partially because of the added power.

P51's and torque effect? As any owner/pilot will tell you, it's there. And it will bite, if you don't show some respect. Some aircraft are worse than others of course and most late war uber-fighters need careful handling to avoid nasty suprises. It's just that our expensive force feedback joysticks are not very good at simulating the feel of aircraft controls you find in real life.

Torque effect - stockplane - 06.05.2009

Is not a question of pain, is a tecnical request of information, for example if you fly with a
IAR80, 81 and set the torque effect off i believe that no one of us is able to conduct a flight test
because the plane make a complete circle in anti hourly sense around the longitudinal axis.
I do't believe that the real pilot fly orizontally without great problem. My idea is that there are
something of not correct in the basic project of this simulastion.
The differences between a plane and others obviously there are but not so accentuate, if you test many planes the result id that a Bf-110 are more stable and secure that not a Bf-109, that a ki-46
can be superior to a Zero, in my mind this is illogical.

- Uzin - 06.05.2009

Did you ever flied B5N2 or Avenger? There you will see, what the torque effect really is!