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Vietnam - Guest - 16.05.2009

I strongly suggest that everybody stops making requests for Vietnam or modern era planes. At this point, it looks like admin is shooting on sight. The more or less official stance here from what I've seen is that planes from WWI to Korea are fine but that's about it. You want something modern, go get LOMAC, Falcon 4, Wings Over Vietnam, SF2, etc. IL2 is a WWII sim and we are privledged to have it expanded as far as it is...

- spitfire13 - 16.05.2009

Well said :wink:

- VonBarb. - 16.05.2009

I entirely agree.

Cheers

Nico

- Boosher - 16.05.2009

Nevertheless, if someone wanted to make a map of the Vietnam area, I think it would be a wonderful idea. The conflict in Vietnam goes a long way before US intrusion into the war, and the war against French occupation used WW2 aircraft. IIRC, The Colonial French ended up using captured Japanese aircraft when their own were no longer serviceable.

- VF711Merlin - 16.05.2009

I agree 100%, Korea should be the limit!
This was the last era basically of the pure eye to eye dogfight.

- rossmum - 16.05.2009

Boosher Wrote:Nevertheless, if someone wanted to make a map of the Vietnam area, I think it would be a wonderful idea. The conflict in Vietnam goes a long way before US intrusion into the war, and the war against French occupation used WW2 aircraft. IIRC, The Colonial French ended up using captured Japanese aircraft when their own were no longer serviceable.
I have photos of Spit IXs serving with the French over what was to become Vietnam. I don't see why that conflict shouldn't be worked on, as it was quite soon after the war (about the same timeframe as Korea, from what I remember) and used a lot of late-war/immediately postwar equipment.

Time to speak up - Bakshi - 16.05.2009

An open forum is a place of democracy, the Greeks started that eons ago. Big Grin Big Grin

WWI to Korea is the arena IL2 s/b limited to...... In my opinion. When you get into VN and high performance a/c, problems compound with all the added bells and whistles, Confusedhock: Confusedhock: :roll: :roll: and super intricate systems that really require you to hold the equivilant of a 747 Type Rating just to react to..'Fighters at 2 o'clock'. :OO :OO :OO ...you tell your RIO to go through the long check-list. That takes the pure fun out of it for me.

These two are worlds apart.

Being an open forum you can say yes, BUT>>>I want VN :evil: :evil: ; that's fine...BUT Admin s/b the body that decides where the line is drawn; taking into account the general consensus of the large community we have here of dedicated fans and very talented contributors. It would become a nightmare to manage.

If you think WE, including myself, have had to seek therapy for the pure moments of frustration with 'Gremlins' that cause all the crashes etc., 'You ain't seen nothin' yet' once you open the door to more complex armament.

In closing, hats off to MustangBF for bringing this issue to focus. I've flow for a living for over twenty years, from single engine to G IIBs; you make your own mind up. Datz muh opinin. :mrgreen:

FIRST INDOCHINA WAR 1946-1954 - Osudog - 16.05.2009

FIRST INDOCHINA WAR 1946-1954


19 Dec 46 30,000 Viet Minh under Giap initiate the eight-year Indochina War with an attack on French troops at Haiphong. The attack fails under superior French firepower but it takes the French a week to clear Haiphong of the Communist forces. By seizing control of several cities, the French Expeditionary Army force the Viet Minh to conduct guerrilla warfare. "If these [people] want a fight, they'll get it," French military commander Gen. Etrienne Valluy states.

Just a start of what all went on at the end of 45

- Guest - 16.05.2009

Osudog Wrote:FIRST INDOCHINA WAR 1946-1954

First of all don't shout at me. If you don't already know, using all caps on a fourm is shouting. It's quite rude. Second, be sure you understand the post before throwing info around. I said Vietnam or modern era as in F-4 and Mig 21 to F-22 and whatnot. You might want to look at the posts I was talking about:

http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15704
http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15588&highlight=ac47

IL2 is a great sim but cannot handle the advanced systems and of modern aircraft. Just to clarify one last time, I'm not speaking out about the French fighting in Nam in the 40's and 50's. I'm talking about late 50's and early 60's onward. There... :roll:

- Commander Shao - 16.05.2009

I nearly think so. I would begin making modern Requests when there are no more WW2 WW1 or Korean War planes could be made, becaus there exist all.

But that would be in many manymanymanymanymany..........manymany years.

- Guest - 16.05.2009

Well, the problem with that would be that the avionics, weapons, flight models, etc. are beyond the limits of the game to handle. It won't work...

- BH_Blue - 16.05.2009

agreed, keep it 1914-1953

- Bakshi - 16.05.2009

......Well, the problem with that would be that the avionics, weapons, flight models, etc. are beyond the limits of the game to handle. It won't work...(MustangNF)

Precisely my point in my post, :? :? F-4, Mig 21-22...too intricate, requiring Mega memory and hot cards, most can't or will not put so much money into a system. :x. As I said, if you think the 'simple' problems that pop up now take you to the brink of insanity...Go ahead and have yourself committed..hehehehe... :mrgreen:

- Guest - 16.05.2009

The engine can't support high altitude or aircraft that exceed 1000kmh anyway, so Vietnam is pretty much ruled out, unless someone is willing to rebuild the engine Tongue

- AIRdomination - 16.05.2009

Anto Wrote:The engine can't support high altitude or aircraft that exceed 1000kmh anyway, so Vietnam is pretty much ruled out, unless someone is willing to rebuild the engine Tongue

Isn't rebuilding the engine basically rebuilding the game? Isn't that illegal?

And plus no one would do it anyways :lol:


But I agree everything that has been said so far. The game engine cannot handle all the advanced systems past vietnam. The game JUST WASN'T MADE FOR THAT.