New slot A6M FM need seriously revising...

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New slot A6M FM need seriously revising... - Saburo Sakai - 31.08.2009

i have seen many vids now of A6M in flight and the FM needs seriously sorting out.
watch this clip and you sill see what i mean. This needs some serious attention.

watch it from 4 mins in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyjNInIH ... re=related

and this one, live guncam on a zero of a zero attacking a biplane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfnq8DZ2-6w

- MrOblongo - 31.08.2009

Well, the planes on that video are Texans and not Zeros Big Grin

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The scenes are nicely done anyway...Never go Dogfighting a Zero ... specially in an F14 Confused

hock: ...

- Messer - 31.08.2009

I actually watched the movie as a kid, and I did cheer on for the Japanese - they fought on in a completely unfair battle! Tongue

Seriously, look at how the F-14 is struggling to stay in the air with such low airspeed. It's truly the best USA Navy fighter, imho, it joost looks great. Big Grin

- Saburo Sakai - 31.08.2009

yeah ans all, but the issue is that the A6M FM is all wrong, it has slightly too much power and not enough of a roll rate, i wondered if this can be sorted for new slot planes ?

- US_GRANT - 31.08.2009

MrOblongo Wrote:Well, the planes on that video are Texans and not Zeros .

The scenes are nicely done anyway...Never go Dogfighting a Zero ... specially in an F14 hock: ...

I watched the video again and those are not Texans. In fact, I remember seeing and interview about this movie not long after it came out (I was an 18 year old new Airman in the USAF) and those zeros (Yes Zeros) were owned and flown by the then Confederate Air Force. In fact, the scene where the F-14 does a barrel roll and makes that big dive?.... was unscripted. The pilot almost lost control of his acft and very nearly crashed.

- DK-nme - 31.08.2009

US_GRANT Wrote:
MrOblongo Wrote:Well, the planes on that video are Texans and not Zeros .

The scenes are nicely done anyway...Never go Dogfighting a Zero ... specially in an F14 hock: ...

I watched the video again and those are not Texans. In fact, I remember seeing and interview about this movie not long after it came out (I was an 18 year old new Airman in the USAF) and those zeros (Yes Zeros) were owned and flown by the then Confederate Air Force. In fact, the scene where the F-14 does a barrel roll and makes that big dive?.... was unscripted. The pilot almost lost control of his acft and very nearly crashed.

Sorry, but those zeke's are rebuild texan planes, period (I will eat my old hat, if I'm wrong). They are leftovers from the Tora, tora, tora movie (the attack on Pearl Harbor - 1976).

DK-nme

- DK-nme - 31.08.2009

Darn Tater, U beated me on this!!!
;o)
Well Ur right in what U're saying - I concur...

DK-nme

- White Owl - 31.08.2009

I really think the guncam footage was running slightly fast. Not just because of how the camera plane was flying, but because of how all the planes just seemed a little bit "off".

- Saburo Sakai - 01.09.2009

the cam footage is not running fast, it is in fact the zero's that turn fast, il2 does not in any way at all represent just how good these planes are at rolling and turning. if you see the zero's in the film clip, you will see that they roll very fast indeed, and there are loads more clips of zero's in action, they are extreme in their turning ability, unlike the ones in game that take forever to respond.

watch this, it explains how good the zero was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtPflcYQKXM&NR=1

- Z-Town Pirate - 02.09.2009

Saburo Sakai Wrote:the cam footage is not running fast, it is in fact the zero's that turn fast, il2 does not in any way at all represent just how good these planes are at rolling and turning.

To folks who really want to examine this footage, be sure to mute audio off. That fabricated/dubbed engine sound is out of sync and skews perception of speed. It feels much slower without the bogus audio (especially the end of the clip with the smoker).

- Saburo Sakai - 02.09.2009

I reckon people think that there is no way a zero can manoeuvre that fast lol....... but here is the thing, that is exactly what the american pilots said when they went up against it, got into a turnfight with it and got shot down, from being on its six i might add.

- RedChico - 02.09.2009

Is this a joke?

Saburo Sakai what real data are you using? These films?

Unless you give us real data to back you up......

Remember that IL2 runs on physics not on personal remarks or american movies using american planes with alot of makeover.

- RedChico - 02.09.2009

US_GRANT Wrote:
MrOblongo Wrote:Well, the planes on that video are Texans and not Zeros .

The scenes are nicely done anyway...Never go Dogfighting a Zero ... specially in an F14 hock: ...

I watched the video again and those are not Texans. In fact, I remember seeing and interview about this movie not long after it came out (I was an 18 year old new Airman in the USAF) and those zeros (Yes Zeros) were owned and flown by the then Confederate Air Force. In fact, the scene where the F-14 does a barrel roll and makes that big dive?.... was unscripted. The pilot almost lost control of his acft and very nearly crashed.

As stated before they are not Zeros, just look at the wing geometry.

- Guest - 02.09.2009

Real data,1943 comparison between "Hap" and Spit Vc.

http://www.filefront.com/14449843/Spit% ... ghters.pdf

Quote:"DO NOT ATTEMPT TO REMAIN AND DOGFIGHT!" Big Grin

- 334thC_Fujita - 08.09.2009

ero flight chatacteristics that video you posted of guncam looks like an oscar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUN9FqDAHEU