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The Liberator - aj906 - 12.11.2009

I've had a look and search but can't find anything on the topic...


Can so clever soul put together a B-24D, please? With all the Med, Pacific and over-water maps we have, this has to be one of the most over-looked early USAAF aircraft in the whole game. I don't care if it is a Frankenplane using the nose of a Halifax, but seriously...I know she's not the Belle of the Ball, but this aircraft needs serious consideration!

cheers

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- Blumax - 12.11.2009

+1 These were used in the Ploesti raids as well and would be very usefull

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- Odinone - 12.11.2009

Not sure what you mean.
Is it specialy the D modell you want or is it B24 in general? If so there is one B24J Flyable with the B25 cockpit.
Well I totaly aggre!! Would love to see more around this great bomber and submarine hunter. Please any modders!!!

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- henkypenky - 12.11.2009

Hi, yes a 'D' model would be very nice! Pls complete with early skins sofar I've only found 1 (one) desert colour skin.

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- Odinone - 12.11.2009

Here 2 more J models. Thats all I have found.
Lets go B24 Yes!!

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- flying_spud - 13.11.2009

A Lancaster, Wellington, Stirling, Hampden, Whitley, Beaufort etc would also be nice. When did any of these these ever appear in a decent combat flight sim?

The Lanc was arguably the finest allied bomber of WW2 taking everything into account; length of service and missions flown (compared to B-29), range and much heavier bombload including huge 12,000 lb bombs (compared to B-17). Bombs dropped on Germany (compared to all!).

The B-17 would have been the greatest had it been able to fight its way to the target and back unescorted as it was designed to do. Unfortunately it couldn't without incurring horrendous losses, so all the extra weight that took away from a half-decent bombload; such as guns, crewmen/gunners, ammo storage and armour plating, detracted from its bombload significantly. The Mosquito bomber variant could match good bombload and fair range, plus much more speed and only risking the loss of two crewman into the bargain. I often wonder how many lives would have been saved had the USAAF gone the Mosquito bomber route instead?

I agree that the B-24 does get overlooked unfairly vis B-17. That bomber flew some great missions and was particularly significant in its role across the atlantic searching for and attacking U-boats in what had once been safe waters for them. It would be great to see a proper one (along with Blenheim/Bisley and Halifax too) in il-2.

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- Guest - 13.11.2009

Why on earth do you think the Lanc's were relegated to night bombing opps? They couldn't hold their own during the day against fighters. The Fortresses and Liberators could... That's why the Americans took up the day runs.

Anyways, there are some important bombers we are missing from the game that aren't being worked on yet:

B-25B Doolittle
B-24D
YB-40
B-32

That just names a few... All the other bombers could stand to have their 3D and cockpits redone too.

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- akdavis - 13.11.2009

Deac Wrote:Why on earth do you think the Lanc's were relegated to night bombing opps? They couldn't hold their own during the day against fighters. The Fortresses and Liberators could... That's why the Americans took up the day runs.

Nonsense.

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- F19_Klunk - 13.11.2009

akdavis Wrote:

Deac Wrote:Why on earth do you think the Lanc's were relegated to night bombing opps? They couldn't hold their own during the day against fighters. The Fortresses and Liberators could... That's why the Americans took up the day runs.

Nonsense.

that was kind of a new explanation to me as well

this might be interesting to read about the reasons and thought about views on day/night bombing and the differences between RAF and USAAF:

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Why day or night - henkypenky - 14.11.2009

Hi guys, saw Deac and Akdavis' post here and I agree fully with Akdavis. Go and see http://www.skipintro.nu/raackcms/pages/ ... hp?lang=NL and check out these loss registers. Although its in Dutch it shows clearly which the terrible losses where suffered by both RAF and USAAF during the bombing campaign.
Only under cover of the P-38, P-47 and P-51 the US bombers could get trough. And even under the cover of darkness the RAF did lose a large number of bombers; in the night of 30 - 31 March 1944, by example the RAF lost 96 out of 779 bomber on a raid on Nuremberg.
@ Deac: read Martin Middlebrook books about this and other bombing raids, it will give you more insight on the matter.

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- Blumax - 14.11.2009

I used to know an old guy who is sadly no longer with us, he was the tail gunner on a Lanc, i asked him one night over a beer how he had managed to lose two fingers on his left hand,
he told me of a raid that he went on (night time raid). The flak was heavy and a nightfighter had singled out his bomber, he didnt know what it was he didnt even see it, he just heard the
rounds coming through the side of the fusilage and then a bright light and a huge bang. He said it all happened in seconds and the next thing he knew he was dangling beneath what was left of
his rear gun turret. He didn't realise that he was hanging in mid air because the strength of the wind beneath the fusilage was pushing his legs up into the sitting position and it was only when he started
to gather his sences that he realised there was nothing beneath him, all that was holding him was his broken harness and a piece of twisted metal that he had caught up on. He was eventually
rescued by the crew but they had to get past another gapping hole in the bottom of the fusilage before they could reach him. He lost some toes and his two fingers to frost bite and was lucky to
survive from hypothermia. The bomber continued on to complete its part in the raid..............they could more than hold there own. He sadly never flew again after spending months in hospital the
war was all but over for the lanc crews by the time he had recovered.

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- torgear1 - 15.11.2009

flying_spud Wrote:A Lancaster, Wellington, Stirling, Hampden, Whitley, Beaufort etc would also be nice. When did any of these these ever appear in a decent combat flight sim?

The Lanc was arguably the finest allied bomber of WW2 taking everything into account; length of service and missions flown (compared to B-29), range and much heavier bombload including huge 12,000 lb bombs (compared to B-17). Bombs dropped on Germany (compared to all!).

The B-17 would have been the greatest had it been able to fight its way to the target and back unescorted as it was designed to do. Unfortunately it couldn't without incurring horrendous losses, so all the extra weight that took away from a half-decent bombload; such as guns, crewmen/gunners, ammo storage and armour plating, detracted from its bombload significantly. The Mosquito bomber variant could match good bombload and fair range, plus much more speed and only risking the loss of two crewman into the bargain. I often wonder how many lives would have been saved had the USAAF gone the Mosquito bomber route instead?

I agree that the B-24 does get overlooked unfairly vis B-17. That bomber flew some great missions and was particularly significant in its role across the atlantic searching for and attacking U-boats in what had once been safe waters for them. It would be great to see a proper one (along with Blenheim/Bisley and Halifax too) in il-2.

i second this

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- torgear1 - 15.11.2009

Deac Wrote:Why on earth do you think the Lanc's were relegated to night bombing opps? They couldn't hold their own during the day against fighters. The Fortresses and Liberators could... That's why the Americans took up the day runs.

Anyways, there are some important bombers we are missing from the game that aren't being worked on yet:

B-25B Doolittle
B-24D
YB-40
B-32

That just names a few... All the other bombers could stand to have their 3D and cockpits redone too.

and this

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- dunkelgrun - 15.11.2009

Deac Wrote:Why on earth do you think the Lanc's were relegated to night bombing opps? They couldn't hold their own during the day against fighters. The Fortresses and Liberators could... That's why the Americans took up the day runs.

There are four major errors in your statement; historical errors, not just personal opinion.
You need to get hold a few books quickly and start reading; that way you won't come up with drivel like this.

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- Murph - 16.11.2009

The Lanc was a great bomber but it had no defensive armament to deal with an attack from below. Every WWII aircraft had is good and bad points, some more than others. It seems we will eventually have a Lancaster for Il2. I wish they had'nt given up on the B26 though- this was the bomber that had the most missions flown and the greatest total tonnage of bombs dropped in Europe.
I do think there were more B24s built than B17s. Willow Run was turning them out at the rate of about one per hour at peak.

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