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I dont understand...Dogfighting - jak24610 - 13.03.2010
I dont understand how they're so good at it! It frustrates me. Any tips, help, maybe even training? If you
want to do training my hyperlobby name is: il2fan
Thanks
- skyomish - 13.03.2010
Use QMB - Set up two to fight with - make their skill level low to start with
Then make them better and better - When you can beat both then your ready to take on the
online group.
It also helps to have a wingman,but online you dont find many that work
as a team.
- {HVY-E}Jinxx - 14.03.2010
Do some reading...
Robert Shaw's book "Fighter Combat" is an excellent start.
Rent and watch the series "Dog Fights" from the History Channel.
They give excellent play by play observations. You'll learn a lot by seeing the maneuvers actually executed. Even if it is computer generated.
- KG64_Cnopicilin - 14.03.2010
To be a good dogfighter you need to practise a lot. I've learned my tricks with just flying.
OMG A A A! - Chieff - 14.03.2010
{HVY-E}Jinxx Wrote:Rent and watch the series "Dog Fights" from the History Channel.=) man...u kiddin,right? These are the worst american propagandashit movies ive ever seen! No good!
- singüe - 14.03.2010
Yes, these movies are propagandashit, but you
Re: I dont understand...Dogfighting - caldrail - 14.03.2010
jak24610 Wrote:I dont understand how they're so good at it! It frustrates me.
Thanks
Think yourself lucky. It frightened people in real life somewhat! Imagine the virtual war you're flying is real for a moment. That lack of instinctive insight isn't unusual in warfare, and the reason why pilots were more likely to be shot down or killed in their first two weeks than at any other time in their service. You'll read a lot about tactics, about turning, burning, zooming, booming, scissors and so on, but I can imagine at this point it's all gobbledegook.
The reality about air combat is that you need to become aware of what's going on around you. Situational awareness is vital for you're survival. An F16 veteran once said in a lecture about air combat that "There is no fixed solution to any given situation in air combat". In other words, once you know what is going on, do something. Whether your decision is a good one is down to experience.
Computers don't help an awful lot because all our perception is limited to what's displayed on the monitor without any peripheral sight at all. You might argue that it's impossible to 'sense' that guy on your tail. That's all true, but you can learn to compensate (a bit like a blind man learning to 'hear' and 'feel' his way around) and as the answer above suggests, you need to practise. Learn to anticipate. Learn to use height and speed. Learn above all else that the rear of a fighter is the most vulnerable place.
If it helps, I was sat in the back of a Chipmunk trainer in my youth when the pilot heard a radio call of another in the area, and the two decided to have a bogus dogfight near the River Severn. Trust me, as a neophyte flyer, the reality of trying to follow where the other guy was (and that was as a passenger) was a very illuminating experiene.
Talking about reality in il-2 and usefull DOGFIGHTS SERIES f - Chieff - 14.03.2010
hock: i like il-2 as much as you do,but dogfights in il-2 and in real life were different.in real life pilot in DF wouldnt make such good turns,avoid bulets by flyin straight when aircraft is upsidown?!, Make all that hard positive or neg. G turns?!get out easily from blackouts by changing flaps and reducing throotle in blackout moment?!.thats bullshit if u exuse!Aces were men who shootdown i think 3< enemy arcrfts...and if u look at guncams,aircraft that they MOSTLY SDOWN were flyin straight!And about BoB-hurri was better aircraft than spitshit,it was better for view,easy to fly,spit was like coffin,thou it got better merlyn engine and better turning time.im so glad that in 4.10 patch would be G limits for each aircraft...that will change a df feellin a 'bit.and real pilots recognized risky moments,bail out or runaway to save their life...in DF public servers u can see smoking spit with holes
Chasing down a fw..wtf!?
And stop spamming about DOGFIGHT SERIES! Please type in youtube: 'p51 dogfights' or Cindirela Candarela,Candela'-thats old man in that episode(read: propaganda p51 pilot) engaged a wasp of 109 and shoot down a leader in AKA 'handbrake' turn without stalling...pf=.=
- macd1102 - 14.03.2010
the American Propaganda, they have the pilots talking about what happen, hint hint they survived the war like it or not, walk in their boots before you run your mouth, o yeah i spent 24 years in the worlds finest navy
Re: I dont understand...Dogfighting - Bobbo - 14.03.2010
jak24610 Wrote:I dont understand how they're so good at it! It frustrates me. Any tips, help, maybe even training? If you
want to do training my hyperlobby name is: il2fan
Thanks
There is an on line book called "In Pursuit" by Johan Kylander that covers the basics really well and I recommend it.
- Lejo - 14.03.2010
Like Bobbo said: In Pursuit will be helpful to learn some new techniques.
I didn't become a better shooter but at least learned how to escape when the enemy was at my six. :lol:
http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/
- 78thFG_Doodle - 14.03.2010
"Angles and Airspeed", would help you out quite a bit.
Blue Skies, Happy Landings.
-Doodle
- pursuivant - 14.03.2010
1. Although it's tempting to jump around from plane to plane, choose one fighter that appeals to you and really learn to fly it well. Although you might be tempted by some of the fast, heavily-armed late war fighters, you'll probably find it less frustrating if you choose a relatively slow-moving, single-engined plane with decent handling and stall behavior, something like the A6M2, B-239, F4F, IAR 80 or Hawk 75/P-36.
2. Practice your gunnery obsessively. To start, practice shooting friendly planes in the Quick Mission Builder (they don't maneuver when you shoot them). For a start, try to get as close behind them as you can, without overshooting, before you open fire. Try to shoot from 200 meters or less. Concentrate on accuracy and the speed at which you can line up your shoots. As you feel more comfortable, practice against a single enemy novice enemy fighter, of the same type as your plane, and try to follow it as it maneuvers. Increase the number and skill of the enemy as you get better.
There is a program called "snipers corner" which will tell you where you should aim to hit a plane moving at a certain speed and angle at a particular distance. It can be helpful to give you the basics of deflection shooting.
You can also determine where your shots are hitting by setting "Arcade = 1" in your conf.ini. When you score a hit with arcade mode on, an arrow will appear to be stuck into the enemy plane.
3. To improve your "situational awareness" try flying with the cockpit view off and the map view turned on, but set so that you can see enemy planes. Then set the map view so that it is just focused on on you immediate area. The combination of "arrows" at the edges of your viewscreen and the enemy planes shown in relationship to your plane on the map will give you a sense of where the enemy planes are relative to you. You can also use the padlock view to "track" a particular enemy.
4. During fights against multiple opponents, pause the game at regular intervals and pan around your airplane using the external view, to give you a sense of where your plane is to the enemy. Also use the external view to look at your opponents, especially when you're shooting at them. You can tell by the location of your tracers relative to the enemy if you're shots are hitting (along with the arrows from the arcade mode, if you're using it). After a fight, review tracks to analyze your performance.
As you gain confidence and skill, start turning the training aids off. The first to go should be the no cockpit view. Next try flying without the map to assist you. Finally, turn off the arcade mode and resist the temptation to use external views to view your opponent.
- aviatorsneah - 14.03.2010
macd1102 Wrote:the American Propaganda, they have the pilots talking about what happen, hint hint they survived the war like it or not, walk in their boots before you run your mouth, o yeah i spent 24 years in the worlds finest navy
agreed. you are disgracing veterans here. "the old man who is the propaganda p-51 pilot." :roll:
- Sakai07 - 14.03.2010
right, that "old man" put REAL .50cal rounds into REAL 109s, something we here could only dream about. When ever I see a WWII vet I stop and thank them (ok, not every single time, but as much as possible) without them, our world would be much different, probably for the worse.