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P51 Mustang - RavenHawk1988 - 29.03.2010

Well, the P51 is said to be one of the best piston engine aircraft ever designed.

So is it just me and my inability to fly it, or does it generally not perform too good in IL2?

- RavenHawk1988 - 29.03.2010

Yeah, I saw the issues with too much fuel in a documentary, so I always scaled it down to 75%.

Guess that wasn't enough. I'll give 25% a shot Wink

- HH_Harley - 29.03.2010

On most arcade maps online, take 25% and droptanks, p51 with 25% can fly a loooooong time

- Rjel - 29.03.2010

Yup, most real life P-51 pilots only flew with 25% fuel loads. Few made it home as we now well know.....

Seriously though, if you want to fly the Mustang at anything approaching a realistic style, get the modded ones. They fly so much closer to the way we have all read about even at 75% up to full fuel loads.

- RavenHawk1988 - 29.03.2010

Rjel Wrote:Yup, most real life P-51 pilots only flew with 25% fuel loads. Few made it home as we now well know.....

Seriously though, if you want to fly the Mustang at anything approaching a realistic style, get the modded ones. They fly so much closer to the way we have all read about even at 75% up to full fuel loads.

Would you be able to point me to a download for the modded ones? I looked in the new aircraft sections, both WIP and regular on this site and didn't see any. Maybe didn't look hard enough, but there you go...

Thanks in advance Wink

- VF711Merlin - 29.03.2010

You will need to install " Unified Install 1.1 to get newer mustangs", not sure if you need to do a clean install of the game itself and patch it with 4.08, 4.09, then 1.1 unified or HSFX if you wish.

I use HSFX install myself, but it your choice.
Anyway I strongly recommend a fresh intall of the game before you do anything.

- Cuccos19 - 29.03.2010

Allison Mustangs reported to be nice as handling, flying. It was very fast at that time, but climb rate wasn't significantly better than the P-40's and P-39's climbe rates. As it got the Merlin (rather Packard-Merlin) engine and four bladed airscrew, it had lost all of it's nice handling, that was the price of the exceptional performance. This performance only could thank for the laminar flow wings, imho. Without it the Mustang would be nothing more but another gray aircarft in the history of flying. The Mustang had an exceptional speed and range, but nothing else was exceptional, rather medicore. Lot of people thinks that it was a good maneuvering fighter. Actually all of it's opponent was better in turnfight, dogfight and even climbing. The Mustang was a boom-and-zoom figter, as well almost all of the american fighters. The plus annoying thing is the ass kicking feeling when you fly it, and it will stop when the fuselage tank got empty. Unfortunatelly in the game that's the last what got empty. :roll: This is a very big shortcoming of the game, that you cannot choose what fueltank comes first, second, etc...

RavenHawk1988, just a personal question to you: Did you try the Mustang in turnfight/dogfight against other single engined fighters (Messerschmits, Focke Wulfs, Japanes fighters, Russian Fighters; Yaks, Las), didn't you? I think that is your problem, as mine as well. Don't think because it looks so cool it can do everything. You will be downed soon in a traditional dogfight, the Mustang is not a Spitfire. :-?

(Maybe starnge but I can fly the much larger P-38 in a hot turnfight against Ki-61s for example. The Lightning has a very nice steady turning characterstic at very low speed... :wink: )

Re: P51 Mustang - ACE-OF-ACES - 29.03.2010

RavenHawk1988 Wrote:Well, the P51 is said to be one of the best piston engine aircraft ever designed.

So is it just me and my inability to fly it, or does it generally not perform too good in IL2?
Most of the time it's the man not the machine

- ACE-OF-ACES - 29.03.2010

RavenHawk1988 Wrote:
Rjel Wrote:Yup, most real life P-51 pilots only flew with 25% fuel loads. Few made it home as we now well know.....

Seriously though, if you want to fly the Mustang at anything approaching a realistic style, get the modded ones. They fly so much closer to the way we have all read about even at 75% up to full fuel loads.

Would you be able to point me to a download for the modded ones? I looked in the new aircraft sections, both WIP and regular on this site and didn't see any. Maybe didn't look hard enough, but there you go...

Thanks in advance Wink
HSFX 4.1 has several modded P-51s in it allready

- Rjel - 29.03.2010

RavenHawk1988 Wrote:Would you be able to point me to a download for the modded ones? I looked in the new aircraft sections, both WIP and regular on this site and didn't see any. Maybe didn't look hard enough, but there you go...

Thanks in advance Wink

As the others said, I would recommend installing HSFX 4.1. It's an easy install and works as advertised. After you get used to that you can always experiment with UP 2.0 or some of the other mod packs here. Either way, the Mustangs are much more enjoyable to fly now.

- ACE-OF-ACES - 29.03.2010

Rjel Wrote:As the others said, I would recommend installing HSFX 4.1. It's an easy install and works as advertised. After you get used to that you can always experiment with UP 2.0 or some of the other mod packs here. Either way, the Mustangs are much more enjoyable to fly now.
I also recomend HSFX 4.1 over UltraPack 2.0

In that most of what UltraPacks does is simply re-pacakge HSFX 4.1 into a different install pacakge, i.e. UltraPack 2.0

They are also known to make some changes to the flight models of some of the mods without consent, let alone consulting the orginal mod maker.

Which resulted in two differnt but same planes

And of the ones I have tested the UltraPack changes resulted in a less accurate Flight Model

In english the changes they made to the flight model resulted in more errors not less

- 78thFG_Doodle - 29.03.2010

Most planes with a full fuel load are pretty lousy flying airplanes. However, that doesn't mean they aren't good aircraft. The Mustang being my favorite aircraft and the plane I fly the most in IL-2 is very effective at any altitudes regardless how much fuel it takes, but that is only my opinion.

In IL-2 this is sort of my fuel layout with the P-51's razorbacks and straight backs.

[Without External Fuel Tanks]
25%-30 minutes
50%-1 Hour Ten Minutes
75%-1 Hour forty minutes
100%-2 hours fifteen minutes

As for flying the P-51, it is an effective aircraft at any altitude. Especially when there's a couple of Mustangs you can really do some devastating damage to other aircraft. The P-51 was very maneuverable, the snap roll, quick dive, tight turn and etc. The 109 will out turn the P-51 at a low speed, but at high speeds over 300 miles per hour the Mustang will out turn most aircraft, including the A6M Zero. The .50 caliber machine guns in the stock Mustangs are a bit weak and they really fall around the convergence settings. My convergence setting is 274.32 meters which is 300 yards, and that's how close you want to be when you fire at an aircraft.

Hopefully, some of this might have helped.

Blue skies,

-Doodle

- Sakai07 - 29.03.2010

My experience with the stang is mixed. Something we can all agree upon (I think at least, lol) is that it looks really good, beautiful aircraft. I like to fly it for that reason alone. Online not so much, only if I can get a bunch of alt or have a wing man. Today, in fact, I learned the power of a good wingie. In Macci 205s my wing leader and I took on the furball, and came out smelling of roses. I got a spit and he got a 190 and we made it out ok. Thach weave is easy to set up and devastating. The P51 is very fast, and picks up speed well in a dive, I rip off a lot of wings attacking lower aircraft and trying to pull lead to make a shot.

- RavenHawk1988 - 29.03.2010

Cuccos19 Wrote:Allison Mustangs reported to be nice as handling, flying. It was very fast at that time, but climb rate wasn't significantly better than the P-40's and P-39's climbe rates. As it got the Merlin (rather Packard-Merlin) engine and four bladed airscrew, it had lost all of it's nice handling, that was the price of the exceptional performance. This performance only could thank for the laminar flow wings, imho. Without it the Mustang would be nothing more but another gray aircarft in the history of flying. The Mustang had an exceptional speed and range, but nothing else was exceptional, rather medicore. Lot of people thinks that it was a good maneuvering fighter. Actually all of it's opponent was better in turnfight, dogfight and even climbing. The Mustang was a boom-and-zoom figter, as well almost all of the american fighters. The plus annoying thing is the ass kicking feeling when you fly it, and it will stop when the fuselage tank got empty. Unfortunatelly in the game that's the last what got empty. :roll: This is a very big shortcoming of the game, that you cannot choose what fueltank comes first, second, etc...

RavenHawk1988, just a personal question to you: Did you try the Mustang in turnfight/dogfight against other single engined fighters (Messerschmits, Focke Wulfs, Japanes fighters, Russian Fighters; Yaks, Las), didn't you? I think that is your problem, as mine as well. Don't think because it looks so cool it can do everything. You will be downed soon in a traditional dogfight, the Mustang is not a Spitfire. :-?

(Maybe starnge but I can fly the much larger P-38 in a hot turnfight against Ki-61s for example. The Lightning has a very nice steady turning characterstic at very low speed... :wink: )

Well, actually the P-51 is one of my least favorite aircraft because it's so easy to spin out with a full tank. It does look nice, and I like to take a stab at it every once in a while, but I end up getting frustrated with it and go back to BF-109's or some others. Another reason I never completely write it off is because it was apparently such a great aircraft, and I simply can't see why, atleast not in IL2. Though truth be told, I don't think they did a good job with it, judging from what I've read here.

But yeah, I'd never take a P-51 into an online fight. I was dogfighting with a friend who just got the game a few months ago and he picked the mustang based on its performance in one of microsoft's flight sims and was shocked at how poorly it handles in IL2. He was spinning out more often than not.

P-51 issues - db605-A/S - 29.03.2010

OK....you fly a 109? So do I and therein lies our problem, I dislike the P51 as well because of the same reson you stated. "It spins out too easy"

The 109 has a different wing design...and it has slats that pop out aiding in an aproaching stall. The Mustang with its laminar flow wings does not have these slats and is LESS forgiving in an impending stall.

My friend you are used to flying the 109 and they are two differnt wing designs. Your "muscle memory" is flying a 109 it has not learned the finesse of the Mustang. The Spitfre is sort of an inbetweener.

What I am doing is relearning...I want to fly the P51 as expertly as I do the 109. So I take it one step at a time.

Learn the parameters that this aircraft can handle, fly it docile at first and gradually build up. Do the same with the FW 190.

These flight models are different....may not be as exact as the actual aircraft but I hope they are close.

Hope this helps.... Good luck.