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Hydraulic failure included in Aircraft Damage? - dholter - 05.04.2010

Hello to all & before I continue with my new post I would like to take the opportunity to use it to present myself to all as a new member.

I just discovered a couple weeks ago that IL2 had a hole new world of mods behind the game it's self and since I bought it I have not stopped going threw the threads of this great web site, but there is something that I didn't see (forgive me if it already exists & I missed it), is there a damage mod including hydraulic failures that would affect landing gear, flaps, etc?

I am a BIG B-17 fan and it was pretty common for these birds to get back to base & due to inflicted damage they would not be able to put the gear down, or only one side would, therefor have to belly land.

I have flown several B-17 missions catching a lot of flak & fighter damage (loss of a rear stabilizer, one engine INOP, fuel leaks, wounded gunners, etc) but it would be pretty awesome & challenging to make it back to base & have to belly land without crashing.

If it doesn't exist, what do you guys think of the idea? would it be possible to create this kind of failures due to damage?

Cheers.

- Trooper117 - 05.04.2010

It's modelled to some degree, but it's rare to see it.. I've been playing this game for years now and only seen it twice, the last time being about two years ago when I brought down a 110, which after being plastered with gunfire from me, went into a shallow diving turn to port with its left undercarriage hanging down but not the right.. Followed it down to check to see if the other side came down, but it eventualy piled in after the pilot had baled out.

- Chhesepilot - 05.04.2010

Nice 1st post mate,im sorry i cant help you but i agree it would be very atmospheric to make it all the way back home only to find that you cant lower the U/C,there is a button to manually lower u/c.Sorry i couldnt help you but i had to answer as it was your 1st post and you went about it a nice way(so many others dont)

S!

Cheese

- Potenz - 05.04.2010

Actually in il2 files, you have a line in the hud messages that
says "hidraulyc failure" as another one "SuperCharger damaged"
seens that those features are in the engine, but remember that
doggers cry about some features and oleg disable it, so it just be
matter of see inside Il-2 and see if it's possible to awake back those
features.

- .041 Safety Wire - 05.04.2010

Only problem is the Boeing Bombers from WWII did not have hydraulic landing gear. On both the B-17 and B-29 the gear is driven up and down by an electric motor and lead screw so Hydraulic failure would not affect gear operation. Same for flaps. Both aircraft carried a crank very similar to an inertia starter crank, in the event of damaged or motor failure they could be disengaged and the crew chief could manually crank them down. This is normally accessed in the bomb bay.

- dholter - 05.04.2010

Potenz Wrote:Actually in il2 files, you have a line in the hud messages that
says "hidraulyc failure" as another one "SuperCharger damaged"
seens that those features are in the engine, but remember that
doggers cry about some features and oleg disable it, so it just be
matter of see inside Il-2 and see if it's possible to awake back those
features.

Would that be something like going into IL2's config.ini & putting a 1 instead of 0 or something like that....sounds to easy to be true..

Thanks!

- Eagle2009 - 05.04.2010

Would really be very interesting...
As a fan of realistic features such as comlex engine start&management and this stuff, I'd really love to have this in the game.

However, I sometimes had inoperable landinggear, then I had to lower it manually. It doesn't occour often, but it exists...
Moreover, I think, in the 4 years I've been playing the game now, I remeber two occasions when the flaks didn't work.
So a hydraulic failure may exist, but it's very simple and hardly ever occours.

If anyone of you has ever flown the microsoft CFS 3, he'll know how easy it is to loose hydraulic pressure. Mostly two hits are enough. One thing I've always appreciated about this sim^^

Anyway, if there's a way to get this feature working in IL-2, it would be great...

Eagle

- dholter - 05.04.2010

.041 Safety Wire Wrote:Only problem is the Boeing Bombers from WWII did not have hydraulic landing gear. On both the B-17 and B-29 the gear is driven up and down by an electric motor and lead screw so Hydraulic failure would not affect gear operation. Same for flaps. Both aircraft carried a crank very similar to an inertia starter crank, in the event of damaged or motor failure they could be disengaged and the crew chief could manually crank them down. This is normally accessed in the bomb bay.

Thanks for the clarification S.Wire, then I'm talking about an electrical failure.

- pursuivant - 05.04.2010

dholter Wrote:Thanks for the clarification S.Wire, then I'm talking about an electrical failure.

Inability to lower or raise the landing gear due to damage is modeled in the game. To try it, lower the landing gear at a high enough speed that wind resistance will damage it, but not tear it off, then try to retract it.

I don't know if landing gear failure due to damage is modeled. That is, the enemy shoots the tire of your retracted landing gear and you only discover the fact when you try to land.

- hoover - 05.04.2010

I would settle for a flat tire mod.that said i have had to manualy crank the gear down on a b-17 but only twice in hundreds of missions.

- KG64_Cnopicilin - 06.04.2010

I've seen the HUD messages too when I was translating the game in Finnish... I hope someone mods them into the game.

- Potenz - 07.04.2010

dholter Wrote:
Potenz Wrote:Actually in il2 files, you have a line in the hud messages that
says "hidraulyc failure" as another one "SuperCharger damaged"
seens that those features are in the engine, but remember that
doggers cry about some features and oleg disable it, so it just be
matter of see inside Il-2 and see if it's possible to awake back those
features.

Would that be something like going into IL2's config.ini & putting a 1 instead of 0 or something like that....sounds to easy to be true..

Thanks!

No no. isn't go to conf.ini and change 0 & 1, these features must to be unlocked in java files

- {HVY-E}Jinxx - 07.04.2010

Hydralic failure is modeled. Happens to me all the time in the P47. I'll be flying around, take some fire from beneath or in the wings in the right spot and think I'm o.k., then I get back to base only to find out that my gear won't come down and have to drop them manually.

- dholter - 07.04.2010

{HVY-E}Jinxx Wrote:Hydralic failure is modeled. Happens to me all the time in the P47. I'll be flying around, take some fire from beneath or in the wings in the right spot and think I'm o.k., then I get back to base only to find out that my gear won't come down and have to drop them manually.

mmm :???: interesting & strange that some of us dont get it at all, others very once in a while and other all the time..

Well if anbody finds out where to tweak please let me know.

Thanks!

- KG64_Cnopicilin - 07.04.2010

{HVY-E}Jinxx Wrote:Hydralic failure is modeled. Happens to me all the time in the P47. I'll be flying around, take some fire from beneath or in the wings in the right spot and think I'm o.k., then I get back to base only to find out that my gear won't come down and have to drop them manually.
That happens in quite a many planes without a notification.