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Nazi Atomic Bomb - Guest - 14.04.2010

Since we are making a Me-264 Amerika Bomber then I propose that we also make the Nazi Atomic Bomb. And I know what you are going to say, "They were no where near close to developing an Atomic Weapon" Hehehe but the thing is that this Is IL-2 1946 and also the Nazis weren't close to making the lerche or the Go-229 Nightfighter or many other things but they are in the game.

Well heres my case to back it up.And besides America and Russia in the game both have Atomic Weapons!

Atomic bomber
The controversial, revisionist British historian David Irving stated that a method of bombing New York was discussed at several Luftwaffe conferences in May and June of 1942. One idea that received a lot of attention was the Huckepack Projekt (piggyback project). Initially Field-Marshal Erhard Milch vetoed the plan due to the small payload that would be delivered for such a massive project. However, on June 4, 1942, Erhard Milch and Albert Speer attended a lecture by Werner Heisenberg on Atomic Fission at the Harnack Hause. After the lecture, Speer asked Heisenberg if this research could design an atom bomb. Heisenberg replied that it could be done, but would take as long as two years. Speer then asked how large a bomb would need to be to destroy a city to which Heisenberg replied the size of a football.[1] Heisenberg requested funds, rare materials, and scientists be released from the army to continue their research. The Huckepack Projekt was brought up again at multiple joint conferences between the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine. However, after a few weeks the plan was abandoned on August 21, 1942. Air Staff General Kreipe wrote in his diary that the German Navy could not supply a U-boat offshore of the United States to pick up the aircrew. The plan saw no further development, since the Kriegsmarine would not cooperate with the Luftwaffe.

[Image: clos-bombe-l.jpg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_atomic_bomb_project

And from also what I read is that they were experimenting with Heavy Water and that Heavy Water slows down the Neutrons in a nuclear reactor so they have more of chance of reacting with the Natural fissle Uranium 235 rather then being captured by the non-fissioning Uranium 238.

Because they do not require uranium enrichment, heavy water reactors are of concern in regards to nuclear proliferation. The breeding and extraction of plutonium can be a relatively rapid and cheap route to building a nuclear weapon, as chemical separation of plutonium from fuel is easier than isotopic separation of U-235 from natural uranium. Among current and past nuclear weapons states, Israel, India, and North Korea first used plutonium from heavy water moderated reactors burning natural uranium, while China, South Africa and Pakistan first built weapons using highly enriched uranium. However, in the U.S., the first experimental atomic reactor (1942), as well as the Manhattan Project Hanford production reactors which produced the plutonium for the Trinity test and Fat Man bombs, all used pure carbon neutron moderators and functioned with neither enriched uranium nor heavy water. Russian and British plutonium production also used graphite-moderated reactors.

There is no evidence that civilian heavy water power reactors, such as the CANDU or Atucha designs, have been used for military production of fissile materials. In states which do not already possess nuclear weapons, the nuclear material at these facilities is under IAEA safeguards to discourage any such diversion.

Due to its potential for use in nuclear weapons programs, the possession or import/export of large industrial quantities of heavy water are subject to government control in several countries. Suppliers of heavy water and heavy water production technology typically apply IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) administered safeguards and material accounting to heavy water. (In Australia, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation (Safeguards) Act 1987.) In the U.S. and Canada, non-industrial quantities of heavy water (i.e., in the gram to kg range) are routinely available without special license through chemical supply dealers and commercial companies such as the world's former major producer Ontario Hydro. Current (2006) cost of a kilogram of 99.98% reactor-purity heavy water, is about $600 to $700. Smaller quantities of reasonable purity (99.9%) may be purchased from chemical supply houses at prices of roughly $1 per gram.

Well some of you may not fully understand all this but As far as I've read, well some people are begging to think that they were more prepared then we originally thought. And apparently they have tested Nuclear weapons during the war but I do not find this to be true.

Either way if it was real or not then I would sure like to have an Atom Bomb for Germany anyway and then when the Amerika Bomber is released then we will need a map of New York or something and well you can figure the rest.

- armydan - 14.04.2010

Well said! +1

- Polkovnik Kirov - 15.04.2010

Your Right, if were going to have the Graff Zeppelin, and German Naval Planes,

AND if were going to make the Amerika bomber, then we might as well engineer a German Nuke.

Just saying.

Plus the russians have them.

- Guest - 15.04.2010

I did a rough Translation with the Diagram using Google Translator and ended up with this so can you German speakers here confrim this.Not all of it is direct translation like Case screen contribution for example was Fellschirmtragaeil on the picture.I had to change some words to make it make any sense at all but can a german speaker here please translate it and so what you get. Thanks.

Uranium bomb Type II Scizzel
Occlusion and time fuse
Rice line
Lead wall around window
Case screen contribution aeil
Handle eyelet for AS/12/44
Supporting reinforcing
Support strut
Supporting reinforcing
Tube with sheath
Bombs strokes
Supporting reinforcing
Support strut
Supporting reinforcing
Mantle
Plutonium
Support strut

Yet strangely enough this Design is called the Uranium Bomb but it has a Plutonium core.Oh well who cares...Oh wait I just remembered why I think! They used Heavy water with natural Uranium in Nuclear Reactors to produce Plutonium.None the Less... I'm surprised of the amount of interest this post has gotten.

- J99Eingehirner - 15.04.2010

OK, some words from a German with interest in this field...

Heisenberg was far from being a Nazi, although he once turned down an offer to be "abducted" by the US or the British early in the war. Many allied scientists couldn't understand why he was doing this and, therefore, feared he would help the Nazis, but it seems by all means that Heisenberg just loved Germany but didn't want to help the regime. It is almost certain that he agreed to build a nuclear weapon ONLY to be able to slow things down and get a feeling of what was possible - to have the option of intervention. He even tried to talk to Nils Bohr in Kopenhagen about the German project once, but since Bohr, like most of the scientists outside Germany, was too suspicious to listen, this attempt failed.

It was a widely accepted view that to build a nuclear weapon WITHOUT the help of Heisenberg would be near to impossible. He was regarded as THE leading theoretical scientist in the world. When the US troops captured him, they were amazed by the LACK of work on nuclear weapons. There was not a single evidence found that the German scientists had even thought about building a bomb. What they tried, however (and this is the reason for their need of heavy water), was to build a reactor to produce energy. You don't need heavy water for a nuclear bomb; in fact, it would PREVENT the bomb from exploding because it acts as a moderator.

The allied scientists who looked through Heisenberg's papers were amazed that the Germans didn't know the difference between a nuclear bomb and a reactor - between controlled and uncontrolled fission. For this reason and because of its obvious similarity to the Little Boy design, I believe that the paper shown above must be one of the drawings from the Manhattan project, as most of the scientists working on it came from Germany, Italy or France. Germany didn't own Plutonium during the war, they even had extreme difficulties obtaining the small amount of heavy water needed for their reactor experiments (the supply of which was further shortened by an English commando operation to sabotage the one facility in Sweden where they got it from). They did every experiment with non-enriched uranium (incapable of efficient uncontrolled fission, as needed for a bomb) which was abundant after the occupation of eastern Europe.

A lot of doubt remains about Heisenberg's exact role in the development of German nuclear technology, mostly due to animosities between him and other scientists owed to his staying in Germany, but it can be taken as sure that, as long as he remained head of this development, a German nuclear bomb would never have been built.

Literature:
"Heller als tausend Sonnen" ("Brighter than a thousand suns"), Robert Jungk - contains many first-hand reports and interesting side-facts
"Heisenbergs Krieg. Die Geheimgeschichte der deutschen Atombombe." ("Heisenberg's War. The secret story of the German nuclear bomb"), Thomas Powers - with lots of interviews and personal reports of scientists that knew Heisenberg and/or worked on the Manhattan project

- Radoye - 15.04.2010

J99Eingehirner Wrote:OK, some words from a German with interest in this field...
What he said.

- Guest - 15.04.2010

No one is saying we can't have this Tongue We are just looking forward to when you are making it Wink

- Plumps - 15.04.2010

You do know that Heisenberg prevented the development of a German atomic bomb?
But then I guess in the what if section everything is possible?
Only thing that is not what if is the Me 264 she existed and flew although destroyed while in the test phase.
Ah J99Eingehirner already mentioned that.

@J99Eingehirner Ich glaube einige hier haben einen leichten Sonnenstich, ich warte nur auf ein paar Sachen von Krieg der Sterne, um das zu best

- Bearkiller72 - 15.04.2010

So, what's the purpose? We have the B-29 "Silver Plate", which the Sovietskis copied (Tu-4 'Bull'),
the Me-264 outwardly resembled the B-29 a bit, there's enough skins out there to give the appropriate
look - where's the sense of a fictional german nuke?

Create a mission with the goal of intercepting an atomic bomb-carrier, make it 4 or more if you like
and set the time schedule in which the bombers have to be destroyed rather short.

That way nobody would care if it's a german, russian, or american bomb/bomber and a lot of time and energy,
which could then be concentrated on other mods, would be saved.

- Guest - 16.04.2010

Bearkiller72 Wrote:So, what's the purpose? We have the B-29 "Silver Plate", which the Sovietskis copied (Tu-4 'Bull'),
the Me-264 outwardly resembled the B-29 a bit, there's enough skins out there to give the appropriate
look - where's the sense of a fictional german nuke?

Create a mission with the goal of intercepting an atomic bomb-carrier, make it 4 or more if you like
and set the time schedule in which the bombers have to be destroyed rather short.

That way nobody would care if it's a german, russian, or american bomb/bomber and a lot of time and energy,
which could then be concentrated on other mods, would be saved.

I decided to make my own German A-Bomb.