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Non of both Zorin....

It's just pity to me how you can draw this drawing to be as accurate as possible.

Anyway,this discussion is no longer needed,i prefer to believe to some original documentations anyway.

[Brophmeister]

In case something was missed, that is NOT my graph. It was posted by Magpie, and I assume that he got it from somewhere else.

Yes, I agree, the points that mark the apparent power of the various explosives seem a little off (I would think that a two ton bomb would have a wee bit more power than that) and the axes are... confusing... to say the least, but at least it gives us a visual indication of comparative explosive power. The graph clearly shows that the FAB5000 has approximately twice the power of the cookie, and my point is that they share the same effect and I raise the question of the appropriateness of this.
In fact, 4000 pounds is only 1814kg, less than an SC2000 yet with about 10 times the explosive power. Yes, I am aware that allied explosives generally had greater energy than their axis counterparts, but not THAT much, surely?

It would seem that the dev team is unwilling to correct this, thats fine, who am I to question their work. (EDIT: OK, after reading this it sorta sounds like sarcasm. Trust me, it isn't )

In fact, I COULD point out that the Mk XIV mosquito was never actually constructed, but its a sweet plane and I like having it :wink:

[Zorin]

@Gringo: oh really?! and where are those original documentations? If you would use your brain while reading references you'll find out that the drawing is absolutely accurate and the results for the ingame bombs can be easily be obtained by recreating the tests I made:











That setup is so simple that you can't argue against it.

and here the figures you need:

4000lb High capacity bomb (Cookie)

Weight: 4000lb = ~1814kg

Charge to weight ratio: 75%

Weight of Filling: 3000lb = ~1360,5kg

Filling: Amatol 60/40 TNT


SC 2000

Weight: 4299lb = 1950kg

Charge to weight ratio: 50%

Weight of Filling: 2149,5lb = 975 kg

Filling: Amatol 60/40 TNT


FAB 2000M43

Weight: 4553lb = 2065.5kg

Charge to weight ratio: 64%

Weight of Explosive Filling: 2914lb = 1322kg

Filling: Amatol 50/50 TNT

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TNT equivalent of Amatol: 0,85

So the FAB 2000 has a higher explosive power than both the cookie and the SC 2000 due to its higher TNT ratio of 50%instead of 40%.

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So, the FAB2000 has roughly 350kg more explosives and achieves a 5 times bigger destruction radius than the SC2000? Obviously wrong. So in turn, the Cookie, which is based on the FAB5000 with half its destructive power is also wrong. That is fine, as long as it is acknowledge and people are not lead to belive that this is a historical representation.

[RAF_Leigh]

welll there you go

[Zorin]

welll there you go

Yes, there I go, only thing is: I already posted the exact same data and test results in July in the Mossie thread just to see it be deleted. I do hope that it will stay this time and we can sort this out in a mature fashion.

[uf_josse]

So, values in game are :

FAB 5000
power : 3260 kg
radius : 2500 m

FAB 2000
power : 1025 kg
radius : 1100 m

SC2000
power : 975 kg
radius : 276 m

Cookie
power : 3000 kg
radius : 1100 m

So, it is clear that cookie is totally overpowerred and SC2000 underpowered.

BTW, amatol was less powerfull thant TNT (coeff was something like 0.97)
SO, cookie power should be 1360 x 0.97 = 1320 kg with amatol

But, if you use torpex, coeff in aerial explosion is 1.22
so should be 1360 x 1.22 = 1660 kg (value that i use now).

Explosion graphical effect is directly relevant of power setting.

Things are simple. If you want to obtain the big FAB 5000 blast effect, you have to overmodel the power. It is that way that was choosed by AAA....

[Brophmeister]

I always assumed AAA's policy was accuracy? Obviously "what if" scenarios can't be done accurately, but one would assume that something that really existed would be done accurately (I mean the cookie, not the XIV. Mossie XIV = "what if")