[Guest]

As far as buttons go, we used to hve our own ones which were in the AC installers. Asfar as having our own ones in the future it is always a possiblity I mean there is no rule that only SAS is allowed to make them. Also, for anyone using 1.2 then new buttons by AAA would be essential to prevent sound-loss from planes.

[Panama Red]

SAS now has two "flavors" of buttons, Online and Offline: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,97.0.html

This stops the "smoking" planes with the opening canopies for the Online players.

[Guest]

SAS now has two "flavors" of buttons, Online and Offline: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,97.0.html

This stops the "smoking" planes with the opening canopies for the Online players.

it can stop the smoke, but the flight model is still different.

examples of this.
HURRICANE early with the wooden propellers is faster than the Hurricane MKI which has metal propeller.

typhonn set in the "lightened" buttons on the HSFX and UP, decrease 300kg this aircraft, making it faster and with better maneuverability.
buttons on the SAS I have not seen it.

I did the tests in the "compare".

see yourself
SAS buttons compare
http://www.mediafire.com/?mqm2jmuznjg

UP buttons compare
http://www.mediafire.com/?lgwmyjmofgi

against facts there are no arguments


I particularly flying German planes, but would like to see everyone with the same flight model.

I think creating more buttons files choices is rather pointless. At the moment most players are using either the buttons files that come with the Ultrapack or HSFX mod packs, or the SAS Online or Offline buttons. Since the SAS buttons have all the AAA and HSFX FMs (and for that matter, FMs for all the UP aircraft), there is no need to create what would effectively be an AAA branded version of the SAS Online buttons.

As far as ensuring all players were using the same FMs, this would have no effect. All you would have is that instead of 4 different buttons files being used, you would now have 5.

the buttons Ultrapack or HSFX and do not allow us to fly the planes are newer than the beginning of the topic.


my god
is it so hard to explain my wish and desire of many is that UP, HSFX, SAS and AAA agree together and having only one file BUTTONS


you can use the MODPACK you want, but you can be sure, that the performance of the aircraft are identical.

and I say again, this fact each one has its own "BUTTONS", opens space for cheaters, and this will be the end of the game we all love.


for a single flight model now

[Guest]

for a single flight model now

+1000

[Radoye]

HURRICANE early with the wooden propellers is faster than the Hurricane MKI which has metal propeller.

Early wooden prop Hurricane was faster.

But the metal prop improved acceleration and rate of climb.

[Guest]

HURRICANE early with the wooden propellers is faster than the Hurricane MKI which has metal propeller.

Early wooden prop Hurricane was faster.

But the metal prop improved acceleration and rate of climb.

enough, I'm really tired of it.

if you want to see in the very near future, one I-16 more faster than the FW-190D9.
I desist :twisted:

[Guest]

HURRICANE early with the wooden propellers is faster than the Hurricane MKI which has metal propeller.

Early wooden prop Hurricane was faster.

But the metal prop improved acceleration and rate of climb.

one more thing, if you pilot a real plane.
should know that a wooden propeller, is designed for only one speed.
However, it only has a good performance to a certain speed, and after that it becomes useless.
while the metal propeller, will take the maximum engine performance at any speed.

[Thrud]

you are going to confuse people by your choice of words. try using "fixed pitch prop" vs "variable pitch prop" instead of "wood" vs "metal". the materials used in construction is not relevant to your point.

[Guest]

you are going to confuse people by your choice of words. try using "fixed pitch prop" vs "variable pitch prop" instead of "wood" vs "metal". the materials used in construction is not relevant to your point.

I did not create the topic to discuss the propellers for the hurricane.
but to discuss about something much more important, which is the existence of a single flight model.

[Thrud]

I did not create the topic to discuss the propellers for the hurricane.
but to discuss about something much more important, which is the existence of a single flight model.

again, your choice of word is confusing. The i-16 has a Flight Model and the B-29 has a Flight Model or FM. Are you suggesting they be the same FM?
I do not want my I-16 to fly like a B-29. I prefer them to have different FM's

[Guest]

I did not create the topic to discuss the propellers for the hurricane.
but to discuss about something much more important, which is the existence of a single flight model.

again, your choice of word is confusing. The i-16 has a Flight Model and the B-29 has a Flight Model or FM. Are you suggesting they be the same FM?
I do not want my I-16 to fly like a B-29. I prefer them to have different FM's

no my friend

I wish, that there is only one flight model, for all packages mods.

see this please

http://allaircraftsimulations.com/forum/...sc&start=0

the days that people have been discussing about the flight models of Ultrapack versus the AAA.
then I say, for have only one flight model.

imagine that we fly together in two FW-190A-3, and you are using HSFX and I'm using Ultrapack.
I will not keep up with you, because the FW-190A-3 HSFX, is faster than the Ultrapack.
understand?

[Radoye]

HURRICANE early with the wooden propellers is faster than the Hurricane MKI which has metal propeller.

Early wooden prop Hurricane was faster.

But the metal prop improved acceleration and rate of climb.

one more thing, if you pilot a real plane.
should know that a wooden propeller, is designed for only one speed.
However, it only has a good performance to a certain speed, and after that it becomes useless.
while the metal propeller, will take the maximum engine performance at any speed.

That is correct, the 3-blade variable pitch metal prop did gave much more flexible performance across the entire speed range.

But in the case of Hawker Hurricane, the early version - two-blade fixed pitch wooden prop, canvass wings, Merlin II and all, had a higher top speed - by about 2 mph - than the later Rotol metal prop, metal wings, Merlin III Hurricane.

This loss of speed was mainly due to increase in weight of the newer Hurricane (some 33kg of armor plating, IFF equipment, among other things added) but due to the more efficient propeller this variant climbed better and accelerated faster than the old one.

This is well covered in books and other sources about the Hurricane and i'm surprised you never heard of this before.

[Guest]

That is correct, the 3-blade variable pitch metal prop did gave much more flexible performance across the entire speed range.

But in the case of Hawker Hurricane, the early version - two-blade fixed pitch wooden prop, canvass wings, Merlin II and all, had a higher top speed - by about 2 mph - than the later Rotol metal prop, metal wings, Merlin III Hurricane.

This loss of speed was mainly due to increase in weight of the newer Hurricane (some 33kg of armor plating, IFF equipment, among other things added) but due to the more efficient propeller this variant climbed better and accelerated faster than the old one.

This is well covered in books and other sources about the Hurricane and i'm surprised you never heard of this before.

thanks for info but

I did not create the topic to discuss the propellers or speed for the hurricane.
but to discuss about something much more important, which is the existence of a single flight model.

[Radoye]

thanks for info but

I did not create the topic to discuss the propellers or speed for the hurricane.
but to discuss about something much more important, which is the existence of a single flight model.

Well hopefully with the "unification" of the modpacks we will have one flight model for each plane.

But from your post i got the impression you were complaining about the SAS early Hurricane FM because it was faster than the later Mark IA Hurricane (Oleg's stock FM) - in fact as you can see above, SAS got it right. So if this plane is ever adopted for the "unification" you'll most likely end up with this very same FM in the new unified buttons file.

[Guest]

Well hopefully with the "unification" of the modpacks we will have one flight model for each plane.

But from your post i got the impression you were complaining about the SAS early Hurricane FM because it was faster than the later Mark IA Hurricane (Oleg's stock FM) - in fact as you can see above, SAS got it right. So if this plane is ever adopted for the "unification" you'll most likely end up with this very same FM in the new unified buttons file.

no problems, since all MODPACK's use the same flight model.

unified buttons file now

great idea Radoye