[ACE-OF-ACES]

"So, now I am really wondering what the HISTOMOD adds, changes, and or is incomparable with"

...because you were not wondering for real right from the start ...??

FZ let it go!

Your so spun up your seeing things that are not there!

My statment holds

Initally I asked what does the HISTOMOD add, edit, and/or is incompatable with (aka wondering) because from what I read and from what I seen thus far it does not 'add' anything.. unless you consider a copy of PeterD's F-86A with an arcade FM as adding something

Now, after seeing how far off the mark the F-86A FM is..

I am still asking what does the HISTOMOD add, edit, and/or is imcompatalbe with (aka still wondering) becuase it would have to be something really cool for me to want to fly these arcade FMs. And just so you know, more cool than a cup holder or a more detailed start up sequence! In that the start up sequence may be more realistic, sequence wise, but it does not off set how wrong the FM is

OK ACE, you've got your point, now that you came back with your beloved curves and thanks to your 99 % sure belief, I am 1% sure thousands of AAA members will avoid wasting their time DLing the Histomod and thus run the risk of fucking up their install ....

So will you now be so kind as to stop here, and let the crazy AAA members who would be that dumb as to give the Histomod a risky try, run the risk of flirting with the sheer extasy feeling of disobedience ...

Stop what?

Asking questions?

Don't you want to figure out what is wrong with the FM?

Don't you want to fly the most realistic FM you can get your hands on?

Asking questions and presenting results is how things like that get resolved!

Freddy hiself ask us all to test his planes and report what we find

Thus you are just going to have to get over your hurt feelings and figure out a way to not get upset when someone asks a question

[FZ]

"unless you consider a copy of PeterD's F-86A with an arcade FM as adding something"


... you call that asking questions ...???



...you call that a copy of Peter D's Sabre ...??

[Freddy]

I m afraid to see the same things happen again in this thread .... hock:

To all : sorry for that , the best is just to ignore this psychotic guy( ace of aces ) I think he just need a good doctor !

If you have any question you are welcome on the histomod forum ....

Just one thing : about the curves ... It s now totaly ridiculous , as you can see here , the curves from the 1.1 mod are the same as the 1.3 .! ... And it s just impossible !!!!
The rate of climb is now completly different and realistic , but as I ve explained , you can t use il2 compare to see it , a large part of the FM is now written in java class , and il2 compare dont take this in account , il2 compare just take the buttons file in account ... The curves from il2 compare are wrong with this mod ...

Some ignorant guy about this sim can t understand that you can find a curve with il2 compare , but when you fly the plane in the simulator , it s different , because in the java class the code say another thing ...

I know this psychotic guy is just waiting an aswer to add his shit on the forum , he have a lot of time to lose , and a lot of hatred too , but the best : just ignore him ... :wink:

[Strider]

Although I'm somnewhat interested, I stop following this thread as a

waste of time following an ego-defensive, personality, word-game, exercise. Thanks!

Strider

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I know this may come as a shock to some..

Some who thought they were flying the most realistic F-86A they could get their hands on by DL the HISTOMOD 1.3

But the truth should never be withheld due to the fear of a FEW getting thier feelings hurt

With that said..

Here is the stock HSFX 4.1 F-86A ROC compared to a real F-86A ROC


And here is the HISTOMOD 1.3 F-86A ROC compared to a real F-86A ROC


At a glance even a child can see that the HSFX 4.1 version is more accurate than the HISTOMOD 1.3 version

How much more accurate you ask?

Well we can measure that in two ways

1) Look at the difference/error in the rate of climb between the in-game version and the real life version
2) Look at the percent error in the rate of climb between the in-game version and the real life version

With that said lets start with the difference/error in the ROC

Here is the stock HSFX 4.1 F-86A ROC difference/error between the in game F-86A plane and a real F-86A


Here is the stock HISTOMOD 1.3 F-86A ROC difference/error between the in game F-86A plane and a real F-86A


As you can see, the HSFX 4.1 has an error/difference of ~75fpm at SL and the HISTOMOD 1.3 has a error/difference of 2,600fpm

Now lets take a look at the percent error in the ROC

Here is the stock HSFX 4.1 F-86A ROC percent error between the in game F-86A plane and a real F-86A


Here is the stock HISTOMOD 1.3 F-86A ROC percent error between the in game F-86A plane and a real F-86A


As you can see, the HSFX 4.1 version has a % error of ~1% at SL and the HISTOMOD 1.3 has a % error of ~34% at SL

I know this info comes as a surprise to some of the HISTOMOD users (read lemmings) that have been under the impression that they were flying the most realistic F-86A FM out there.

Which is a good reason and explanes why so many are so upset..

But..

A good reason should not be confused with a good excuse!

In that there is no excuse for breaking forum rules and resorting to calling me names

Just because I pointed out to one and all that the king has no closes!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I m afraid to see the same things happen again in this thread .... hock:

To all : sorry for that , the best is just to ignore this psychotic guy( ace of aces ) I think he just need a good doctor !

If you have any question you are welcome on the histomod forum ....

Just one thing : about the curves ... It s now totaly ridiculous , as you can see here , the curves from the 1.1 mod are the same as the 1.3 .! ... And it s just impossible !!!!
The rate of climb is now completly different and realistic , but as I ve explained , you can t use il2 compare to see it , a large part of the FM is now written in java class , and il2 compare dont take this in account , il2 compare just take the buttons file in account ... The curves from il2 compare are wrong with this mod ...

Some ignorant guy about this sim can t understand that you can find a curve with il2 compare , but when you fly the plane in the simulator , it s different , because in the java class the code say another thing ...

I know this psychotic guy is just waiting an aswer to add his shit on the forum , he have a lot of time to lose , and a lot of hatred too , but the best : just ignore him ... :wink:

The same old straw man argument?

You tried that float (read pass off) that excuse once before, after which a, what you called REAL FLY test was done and showed the nearly the same ROC results could be obtained by the user in game. Thus debunking the theo.. no.. story that the IL2Comp data can not 'see' your Java class changes.

Gold star for effort thought!

I'm sure if you repeat that story enough times most of the lemmings will belive it

But not all of them

[ACE-OF-ACES]

"unless you consider a copy of PeterD's F-86A with an arcade FM as adding something"

.. you call that asking questions ...???

No, not at all!

That is clearly a statment

A statment much like the following statement from the HISTOMOD 1.3 website

Those who are not interested in realism, or who prefer arcade gaming, or in flight start up or fast dogfights should go and see elsewhere ...

Note we both use the word arcade in our statments..

The difference being I can actully back my statments up with test data..

Where as all Freddy has is un-founded 'words'

...you call that a copy of Peter D's Sabre ...??

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/ ... 116341.jpg

No, I was refering to the exterior of the plane not the cockpit..

And this just proves how totally upset you are..

To the point that you are seeing things that are not there and not see what is there..

In that in my very first post I said

ACE-OF-ACES
On that note..

Other than the more detailed start up sequence..

And Freddies beautiful F86 cockpit

What does the HISTOMOD 'add' to HSFX4.1 that HSFX4.1 does not already have?

Now had you taken my advice and took a deep breath and counted to 10 and than re-read what I wrote

You wouldnt have made youself look so silly by trying to paint me as someone who thinks that cockpit belongs to PeterDs' F-86A

[ACE-OF-ACES]

ass of ass, can you stop this please? if you dont like histomod, you dont download at all.... but please dont pollute this topic.

thanks,

335th_Aymi

aymi..

I know your upset..

What with the sudden realisation that the plane you have been flying is more XWING than F86

But that is no excuse to resort to calling me names

That and it breaks forum rules, so please stop it

Thanks in advance!

[Freddy]

It s just a lie !
Your curves are wrong ! In the simulator , all the code from the button file have to be read before by the FM class java ... There is a big problem with the java class about FM in the latest packs , and you can write all what you want in the button , all is wrong for the jets in these packs ... It s very simple !
And the curves from il2 compare just read the button ... You have not that in the simulator !
What your F-86 can do with your default game , an actual fighter can t do it ! It s just ridiculous !

[ACE-OF-ACES]

It s just a lie !
Your curves are wrong ! In the simulator , all the code from the button file have to be read before by the FM class java ... There is a big problem with the java class about FM in the latest packs , and you can write all what you want in the button , all is wrong for the jets in these packs ... It s very simple !
And the curves from il2 compare just read the button ... You have not that in the simulator !
What your F-86 can do with your default game , an actual fighter can t do it ! It s just ridiculous !

Like I said

Keep on repeating it

Im sure some will belive it!

Lemmings are like that!

[Freddy]

I'm sure if you repeat that story enough times most of the lemmings will belive it

Ignorant ! ( perhaps the word in english is ignoramus ? )

How a plane works , it s written here , in the java class ...
Do you understand that , stupid guy ?

This java class is different from what you read in your il2 compare ...



It s just a very little part ...

Hey [*admin edited*] , you win the jackpot ! Never , I ve seen a totaly stupid man like you with a large ego like this !!!

You are stupid and happy ... Ok ... Good for you ! But keep the hsfx default jets if you like them , no problem for me , and stop writting stupidities here ...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I'm sure if you repeat that story enough times most of the lemmings will belive it

Ignorant !

How a plane works , it s written here , in the java class ...
Do you understand that , stupid guy ?

This java class is different from what you read in your il2 compare ...



It s just a very little part ...

Hey [*admin edited*] , you win the jackpot ! Never , I ve seen a totaly ignorant like you with a large ego like this !!!

You are stupid and happy ... Ok ... Keep the hsfx default jets if you like them but stop writting stupidities here ...

Nice graph!

Sort of! LOL!

Freddy

Like I already told you above

You tried to use that Java excuse before

And it did NOT ring true!

In that a REAL FLY test showed the F-86A in HISTOMOD 1.1 could obtain nearly the same ROC values that were predicted by IL2Comp (read ZINFOMOD)

Where the difference was small enough to fall into the category of pilot error

But I understand why you continue to spew this excuse..

Which is fine

In that I really don't care if the lemming belive that excuse

In that no amount of data will ever change the mind of a true lemming

On another note

I know your upset finding all this out

So I can understand why you feel the need to lash out and call me names

But please know that kind of behavior is not allowed here at AAA

So please stop it

Thanks in advance!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

By the way..

In light of how upset you are..

You might want to take your own adivce and just ignore me..

Problem is

You know I am right and thus you can not even follow the advice you gave to others

Speaks volumes IMHO

[Freddy]

You tried to use that Java excuse before

And it did NOT ring true!

In the 1.1 mod the java class was not written !!! Sorry for you ...
I ve told that , but you dont remember , it was a beta ....

Problem is

You know I am right and thus you can not even follow the advice you gave to others

I think the real problem is your Mental illness but it s another subject ... To be right , man , before , you have to learn a lot of things ...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

You tried to use that Java excuse before

And it did NOT ring true!

In the 1.1 mod the Java class was not written !!! Sorry for you ...
I ve told that , but you dont remember , it was a beta ....

Like I said

It speaks volumes!

In that if what I was saying was so far fetched that only a..

What did you call me?

A psycho

Would say it than it would be clear to all

But the fact is I am not psyho

And there is truth in what I say

Which is why you yourself can not follow your own advice

As to what I remember..

I remember YOU saying the HISTOMOD would ALLAYS be BETA because you were always going to be making changes

I also remember YOU saying the reason the F-86A ROC was off by 35% in 1.1 was due to the Java class

So were you lying than or lying now?

Problem is

You know I am right and thus you can not even follow the advice you gave to others

I think the real problem is your Mental illness but it s another subject ... To be right , man , before , you have to learn a lot of things ...

Im mental?

This comming from the guy who just told everyone to ignore me..

Because I am psycho!

Than he himself contines a conversartion with the person he just said was a psycho

And I am the mental one?

Nice try

Gold Star for effort

But no sale