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P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole , I understand , but who is arguing in this thread from the beginning ?

Ah I think I found your problem/mistake/error Freddy!

What ever translator your using is broken

In that 'arguing' with someone does NOT equate to 'disagreeing' with someone!

If he prefers the fm from LT Wolf , no problem for me , he just have to get it , and go away from this thread !

Or if he wants to work with LT Wolf , he have to keep his curves for him .... But if he just want to prove my FM are wrong, and its the case here

Just prove 'your' FM is wrong?

Hardly..

Here is a link to a thread started by PeterD where he asked folks to post 'issues'

To which I posted the results of a test I did of PeterD/Wolf's MiG15 ROC

MiG-15 and F-85 Sabre Issues (post them here)

And that test showed the MiG15's ROC was wrong too!

Just like my testing of your F86 showed it's ROC was wrong too!

So your wrong in thinking I am only here to prove you FM is wrong!

On a related note..

The only difference here is in how the makers of the FM responded to their FMs being tested.

PeterD/Wolf thanked me for the feedback I provided and said they would look into it.

Freddy thanked me for the feedback by calling me names.

The real kicker here is PeterD/Wolf never claimed their FMs were better than anyone else, nor did they ask anyone to test the FM. Yet when someone did test it and found a bug they took it in stride. Where as on the other hand, Freddy implied his FM was better (more balanced) and ask people to test his FM for themselves to decide which one they liked better.

Ironic ain't it?

Now as for who did what from the begging..

Lets do a quick re-cap, of who said what when, ie the order/sequence it was said


page 06 My 1st in response to Freddys 'balance' statement

Balance is relative..

That is to say one mans balance is another mans un-balanced..

That is to say FMs should NOT be based on personal biases

FMs should be based on real world data!

In that online dogfights between two pilots says more about the differences in the pilots skills & luck than how realistic the planes are simulated/performing.

page 07 My 2nd post in response to Freddys 'let the players choose' statement

Agreed!

And with that said, you shouldn't mind me doing a full up test of how your F86/MiG compares to a real F86/MiG. The plan is to show the % error between the ingame data and the real world data. This will be two fold, one, generate the IL2Compare files, two, actual ingame flight testing using a 3rd party autopilot. Reason being, IL2Compare files are not allways 100% accurate. Hence the two methods. Each of which will provide a graph of the rate of climb and top speed per altitude along with a % error graph.

Than based on those results the players can choose which version they want to use.

With that said..

Assuming I am starting with a clean version of 4.08m or 4.09m. Can you provide me a link to all the mods I will need to install your mod.

page 07 My 3nd post in response to FC saying Freddy made 'improvements'

Well that is good news if that means he tweaked the FMs to better match/conform to the real world data performance..

And

But bad news if it means he flew a few more one on one df missions with his buds and determined they, in their MiGs, are still shooting him down too often in his F86 and thus he increased the power of the F86 some more..

Which is the problem with any/all FMs that are based on personal preferences instead of real world data.

page 08 Freddy's 1st reply to me wrt my 'increase power statement

Don t worry , no increased power for the F-86 ...
You are a flight Engineer perhaps ??? lol

page 08 My reply to Freddy's 1st reply to me wrt my 'increase power statement

Perhaps

With that said, how do you validate your FM changes?

page 08 Freddy's 2st reply to me wrt me asking how he validates his FM

All is said !
You seem to be a pretty boy, but you come here to fight with me about FM , and you have not tried the mod ???? hock:

Sorry , find another guy , I don t have time to loose ....
And before to talk about something , try it !
It seems too you don t know the game and its defaults ... :wink:

Have a good night ...

So, as you all can see..

Freddy set the tone here..

And he did it in his 2nd post to me..

So when Freddy says..

There is a limit to my patience ...

It is a joke..

In that you have to have some of something to have a limit of it

Just wanted to set the record straight as to who started arguing with who!

Freddy went on to call me many names after this..

And continues to do so!

Yet I am the bad guy here?

Please!