05.12.2007, 15:05
T Wrote:lock this thread, please. it's run it's course.
why lock it? we want to argue gently
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why lock it? we want to argue gently
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05.12.2007, 15:27
T Wrote:Quote:The B-17,B-24 and even the B-29,didn't had an extinguisher.If they caught fire in the engines,they simply cut the fuel to the engine!For the B-17 i know,that the manual Fuel Switches were 4x/one for each engine!/ and can be found in the radio oparator room,which is after the pilots cockpit!
They didn't had an exinguisher
wow, man are you wrong.
Example; this is from page 52 of the b-17 operating manual
"W. If the fire is not smothered by closing the cowlflaps, close fuel shut-off valve (figure 39-3), stop booster pump, and direct copilot to pull fire extinguisher, both charges if necessary."
the b-24's are also on the copilots side
page 31 and 33 of b-29 pilots manual has fire extinguisher description and usage
PBY had them too.
Those which are in the Radio Operator Room,were the Secondary switches.If those which are infront of the copilot doesn't work,then someone have to cut off the fuel manually from the radio operator room's switches.
05.12.2007, 16:41
1. Can't fly with marking of nation which killed many family members of some friends of mine. Can't fly with marking of nation which was doing so many bad things. Even one of my friends is Jude from mother's side..
2. I DON'T SAY THAT BLUES ARE NAZIS!!! I just can't fly. I like German planes as machines, sometimes I fly them, but very rarely, for example when too many reds on server. No.313 Czechoslovak RAF Squadron was my choice.
(3. The most of German pilots flew for pleasure. I know, combat is no fun anymore, but flying is. They were young, could make what they dramed of and they were not interested in politics. They only had bad luck in where they were born.)
2. I DON'T SAY THAT BLUES ARE NAZIS!!! I just can't fly. I like German planes as machines, sometimes I fly them, but very rarely, for example when too many reds on server. No.313 Czechoslovak RAF Squadron was my choice.
(3. The most of German pilots flew for pleasure. I know, combat is no fun anymore, but flying is. They were young, could make what they dramed of and they were not interested in politics. They only had bad luck in where they were born.)
05.12.2007, 16:42
Axis,axis are not allways nazis.
They can be finnish,like i do..we didint got an choise.
Winter war:
Finnish: Russia:
-250 000 men -1000 000 men
-30 tanks VS -3000 tanks
-130 airplanes -3800 airplanes
Continuaon war:
Finnish: Russia:
-530 000 finnish men VS -900 000 - 1 500 000 men.
-220 000 germaners
+One squadron of
stukas(Kuhmley)
+under 20
Stug III&IV
+anti tank weapons,
like panzerfausts.
+=got from germaners.
Lappland war(war where finnland drive germaners out of finland to norway,one part of finnland&russia peace):
Finnland: Germany:
-60 000 men -200 000 men
They can be finnish,like i do..we didint got an choise.
Winter war:
Finnish: Russia:
-250 000 men -1000 000 men
-30 tanks VS -3000 tanks
-130 airplanes -3800 airplanes
Continuaon war:
Finnish: Russia:
-530 000 finnish men VS -900 000 - 1 500 000 men.
-220 000 germaners
+One squadron of
stukas(Kuhmley)
+under 20
Stug III&IV
+anti tank weapons,
like panzerfausts.
+=got from germaners.
Lappland war(war where finnland drive germaners out of finland to norway,one part of finnland&russia peace):
Finnland: Germany:
-60 000 men -200 000 men
05.12.2007, 16:45
Quote:3. The most of German pilots flew for pleasure. I know, combat is no fun anymore, but flying is. They were young, could make what they dramed of and they were not interested in politics. They only had bad luck in where they were born.
+1
05.12.2007, 17:22
...red side here ....
and i had members of my family killed on both sides in WW2 ( not in combat) ....
"final solution" is mainly reason why i don't play blue .....but thats just me :wink:
....and i had members of my family killed on both sides in WW2 ( not in combat) ....
"final solution" is mainly reason why i don't play blue .....but thats just me :wink:
05.12.2007, 18:14
WoOoOoOouw..... DON
05.12.2007, 18:35
hock: 
little upset about this, had some abuse, called some names and now a German hater. hmmm, to be honest i did not know about the German's having gyro sights, now that i think of it, little silly not to. Its through you guy letting us know what you want and that. the gyro sight in allies planes are easier as they are already in the game. so much to do.
05.12.2007, 19:18
Don
05.12.2007, 19:24
Quote:The other think is,the biggest thing that i consider as a cheat is the new Ace Maker gunsight for the Spit..After how much time it was released as a mod after the request?! 3~4 days maybe???
And now for the new Askania EZ 42/1-A1 German gunsight..The moderators want so much prooves to make it available in the game.
have you read the proof ? so why is it a cheat ? no-one requested it - i have known about it for a while & so did it off my own back - i dont know anything about Askania EZ 42/1-A1 - so please provide us info - thx
We very much want to produce german plane mods - just be patient - we are not against german planes at all - im a big fan of many german types. Relax we are doing them right now & wait for christmas for the big bird :wink:
05.12.2007, 19:43
Blue AND red side alternate flying happy for me 
05.12.2007, 19:52
The heavies did/do have the extinguisher's, - even the '29 (the plane was rife with engine problems, resulting in a lot of engine overheats and fires, even out of combat - just climbing out could cause them. Extinguishers were a neccesity.
Additionally, the 'mods' being added are only added for an historic addition - so things that did not have these things - do not get them.
Yes - the Bf-109E's SHOULD have a mirror, considering how many examples of the Emil have been shown with the mirror - but no OTHER varient.
The German Gyro site - yes but only to those that have evidence of their being - like the Me-262.
As perhaps an additional thought... perhaps it might be prudent to perhaps just drop the modification of the current planes - albiet they are historically more true, it seems to me that its more trouble than its worth... no matter how true to history you get...
The - They got one, so where is mine - arguement is very childish though, and really should not be argued.
Additionally, the 'mods' being added are only added for an historic addition - so things that did not have these things - do not get them.
Yes - the Bf-109E's SHOULD have a mirror, considering how many examples of the Emil have been shown with the mirror - but no OTHER varient.
The German Gyro site - yes but only to those that have evidence of their being - like the Me-262.
As perhaps an additional thought... perhaps it might be prudent to perhaps just drop the modification of the current planes - albiet they are historically more true, it seems to me that its more trouble than its worth... no matter how true to history you get...
The - They got one, so where is mine - arguement is very childish though, and really should not be argued.
05.12.2007, 22:27
I'm inclined to agree with Magpie, adding things or changing things in the planes that are flyable by default is a dangerous road. Adding Mirrors to planes seemed harmless at first, but it's a slippery slope to potentially more dangerous modifications.
I think it would be in the best interest of all parties to wait a spell before changing minor things like adding mirrors and gunsights to default planes. It's definitely something that should be done at some point, but right now it would give the Antimod crowd a whole lot of fuel.
I think it would be in the best interest of all parties to wait a spell before changing minor things like adding mirrors and gunsights to default planes. It's definitely something that should be done at some point, but right now it would give the Antimod crowd a whole lot of fuel.
06.12.2007, 00:13
Dedicated BF110 pilot here.
And can we please not go anywhere near politics. The nazis were a small group of fanatics that controlled an otherwise regular defence force. More died under Stalin than Hitler, but nobody has any problems flying for the Russians.
And yeah, I have to say I am a little peeved at the mirrors and gunsights for all the red planes.
And can we please not go anywhere near politics. The nazis were a small group of fanatics that controlled an otherwise regular defence force. More died under Stalin than Hitler, but nobody has any problems flying for the Russians.
And yeah, I have to say I am a little peeved at the mirrors and gunsights for all the red planes.
06.12.2007, 01:38
Gizmog Wrote:I'm inclined to agree with Magpie, adding things or changing things in the planes that are flyable by default is a dangerous road. Adding Mirrors to planes seemed harmless at first, but it's a slippery slope to potentially more dangerous modifications.
I think it would be in the best interest of all parties to wait a spell before changing minor things like adding mirrors and gunsights to default planes. It's definitely something that should be done at some point, but right now it would give the Antimod crowd a whole lot of fuel.
There you are right and I agree 100% with what you wrote.
But maybe I expressed myself a little bit unlucky - I don
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