[dgk196]

I was 'looking' through some of my 'sources' and found a 'swept-wing' Fw-190.

I looked on the 'web' but, the only thing that I could find did not match my sources!

On the web, its referred to as the 'Fw 190 V19'. However, it shows a 'cranked wing'!

But somewhere, I have (had) a drawing of a Fw 190 with a 'swept-wing'.

It's hard to describe, but here goes..........

Take any 'radial' engine FW190! Now, extend the 'leading edge' of the 'wing-root' forward towards the circular engine cowling. From that point on the fuselage extend a line out to the 'leading edge' of the wing-tip, along a horizontal plane relative to the 'chord of the aircraft. So, you will have a swept-wing form, from the fuselage to the leading-edge wing-tip, whew!

So, does anyone 'out there' have any drawings?

Dennis

[reflected]

now this is a weird bird...

here!s an original document:

she doesn't look bad at all...

and look, a line engine version:

[dgk196]

Yes...........

Notice where the wing, 'moving' towards the fuselage, from the tip, angles 'back' toward the fuselage to form another angle! Instead, imagine that the 'wings leading edge' just continued on the same angle,from the tip in one continuous line (plane), and met the fuselage just behind the circular cowling!

Now, there are various engine 'mods', radial, dual-radial, in-line engine versions, but they all had the 'same' fuselage and 'swept- wing'.

Man, I wish I could find those drawings!

Dennis

:roll:

[caldrail]

An interesting discussion at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread47954/pg1

An alternative (and possibly more correct - since it was originally built and flown with the straight wing?) impression can be found here http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... n%26sa%3DN

Information on where to find drawings .... http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forum ... topic=2181

The following text was from a russian site ....
Fw 190 V 19 (W. Nr. 0041). The plane was tested as a prototype Fw 190 C DB 603 with an engine and wing area of 18.3 m2. After replacing the engine on Jumo 21 ZA (№ 1001570009) aircraft was used to test the engine in flight. February 16, 1944 aircraft received heavy damage during the abortive landing. Protocol flight on March 24, 1944 reported problems with the hydraulics, which resulted in a retractable landing gear too slowly and not recorded in the position to remove. During the repairs on aircraft installed a new engine Jumo 213 with the modified ignition sequence (№ 1001520160) with a screw VS 9 and wing leading edge to direct the movement forward by 115 mm. The wing is moved forward to compensate for the shift centre of gravity caused by the longer engine and an additional segment in the rear fuselage.

[RedChico]

You know what to do modders start modding. hock:

[Chaoic16]

If any of you really want to see this kind of aircraft in il-2 1946, then post the request at one of my thread.

viewtopic.php?t=7570 (experiment and 'what if' 1946s)

I will add these to list, if any of you post thesef information about these aircraft at my thread.

8)


Chaoic out...

[Th!rdeye]

You know what to do modders start modding. hock:

No

[Davew]

LOL
How can it have an uber FM when the thing never actually flew (as far as i can gather)
From the look of that wing, it may have been a little faster given the benefits of swept wings, and possibly slightly better roll with a shorter span but the discussion is moot in any case with no performance figures to back it up.

Then again... we have the TA183 and that one has been proven to be unable to fly given the configuration in the game......

But for my two cents, there were literally hundreds of experimental designs that never made it off the drawing board, or made one or two prototypes but never flew. Many of them wouldn't have been able to fly (I have doubts about the swing wing aircraft in particular). If people are going to start modelling them all it would take a decade.

Your Fw is an interesting concept, but perhaps a lower priority than the aircraft that actually flew and fought in the war?

As for the guy that issued directives... I'm not a modder myself, I can't do what they do, but i think that perhaps a little manners wouldn't go astray, even if that was intended as a joke. These guys dont get paid for waht they do, and are under no obligation to share it either, so better to be nice.

[Davew]

I understand where you're coming from (IRL experience) but requests are pretty natural.
Things that should have been in the game, Typhoon, Lanc, Meteor, MkXIV etc, or things that need to be fixed (P40) these are things that people want, and if they can't do it themselves, perhaps it's fair enough to ask someone who can do them.

Demands are another thing altogether however.

[Th!rdeye]

I highly dislike the requests for planes with NO FM REFERENCE at all.


What is the use of flying a new plane in a realistic sim if you cannot give it a accurate FM. I think if you cannot find new performance figures for the plane with speeds at various alts, climbrates and power settings, then the request should not even be made.

[Chaoic16]

I highly dislike the requests for planes with NO FM REFERENCE at all.


What is the use of flying a new plane in a realistic sim if you cannot give it a accurate FM. I think if you cannot find new performance figures for the plane with speeds at various alts, climbrates and power settings, then the request should not even be made.

Fear not, I have a theory about how to get 'predicted' FM for each of aircraft that have not flown yet. I am planning on writing a long paragraph of my own theories on these as I speak of it.

However, it never hurt to be at least, open-minded and try to find many different possible solution to problem.




Chaoic out...

[Chaoic16]

You know what to do modders start modding. hock:

Believe me when I say this. Whoever demand for modder to mod this aircraft will always get bitter feeling against these kind of requests. That is why I made my 4 threads that contains of aircraft list with reference materials in first place.

I am going to keep encouraging people like you to start DOING something that would help modder by doing research and gathering enough materials that modder will need, in case, when one of modder would pick the aircraft you requested for.

That is the best you can at least do now, instead of just sitting and keep requesting while doing nothing. So if you really want to see these kind of aircraft so badly il-2 1946 then start working with us and read my first post in this thread.


Chaoic out...

[caldrail]

Some data is difficult to come by, and for aircraft that never actually flew, impossible, so some extrapolation is always going to be necessary for the 'what-if' types.

Incidentially, William Green (a useful and authorative source) does not mention the fw190 V19 at all.

[RedChico]

@Chaoic16

Oh... sorry about that, now i saw the requirements in your threads.

@caldrail

Not impossible at all, there are programs that do flight analisys, i.e. Catia, from Dassault Systems.
Maybe i can get enough acess to it for a study of those wings, and use my average knowledge on aerodymanics (I was in a aerospace uni course but i quit).

[Th!rdeye]

@caldrail

Not impossible at all, there are programs that do flight analisys, i.e. Catia, from Dassault Systems.
Maybe i can get enough acess to it for a study of those wings, and use my average knowledge on aerodymanics (I was in a aerospace uni course but i quit).

But if you don't have a performance analysis of the motor then its still useless.


Don't get me wrong. The more planes the better, but these planes are just not worth the time in my opinion. This is one of those things were quanity isn't better than quality.

You can do every aerodynamic test on those models but they will never be correct if you do not have info for the location of the fuel, quanitity of the fuel, oil location and quanity, ammo count and location and any motor related parts. The P47's supercharger is behind the pilot in the mid section, not a common place for it. So you can't really guess about things that like. Those all come together and make up the aircraft's "feel."

Before i make a change i check all my sources for conflicting info. If i cannot find a piece of info about a certain performance feature then it is scrapped and i DO NOT guess. If you cannot find ANY TESTED information on a plane, then it to should be scrapped.

Chaotic's List would be much much shorter if you eliminated each aircraft that had a lack of performance figures....