[teh pirate]

Alright, I know the Phantom's a bit out of IL-2's time, but still, I personally love the F4 and would love to fly one in IL-2. Excuse the lack of images... my main focus was on the next section. Sadly, I couldn't find many good pictures of the XB-35, anyway.


The main thing, however, is the XB-35. An awesome, quad-coax prop flying wing bomber designed by Northrop, the XB-35 had a stunning wingspan of 172 feet and 21 .50 cal Browning machine guns for defense but due to its government-fashioned gearboxes, the coaxial props caused vibrations that would ultimately prove fatal to the XB-35 program. It's likely that had Northrop been allowed to design its own gearboxes the program would've been a success but alas, this big bird never made it past experimental stage. The later models were fitted with jet engines (YB-49s. These might be worth looking into, but in my opinion they're uglier and not quite as powerful looking.) - this design would eventually become the B-2 Spirit we all know and love today. However, the entire program (all 13 prototypes) was scrapped in favor of the B-37 program.


I doubt any existing aircraft's flight model would really suit the XB-35, so it could take a while to develop a good version... but it'd be worth it.

Also, I've been toying with the idea of simple ground based vehicles using custom flight models that cannot take flight, but rather have toughened suspension and more weight so they don't break while bouncing around off-roading. With some effort, we could recreate full-scale battles with IL2, with player-controlled air, sea, and ground forces all pitching in to kick everybody's ass. How awesome would that be?

[US_GRANT]

Well, as a former Air Force mechanic and "Phantom Phixer", I don't think the IL2 engine will handle an acft as complicated as the Phantom. The avionics alone would tax it to it's limit and we haven't even gotten into it's weapons system.

As for the XB-35. Did you know it was scrapped because it had a fundimental flaw that the engineers could not fix? It couldn't fly in a straight line. That's right. It was no good as a bomber because it couldn't hold a course.

Fun to dream, but at the end of the day, IL2 has proven it can do a lot of things, but I'm afraid these two acft should stay in the realm of wishful thinking.

[Maico]

If you would like to fly the F-4 I recomend Wings Over Vietnam. If you get the Yankee Air Pirate add on, you will have new scenery ai, ect. It really rocks. The enemies are all there too. You really dont want to fly a F-4 against a I-16 do ya'? Mig-17s will challenge you and make a b&Z artist out of you.
There is allready a flying wing in IL2. Fly the G0-229. Once you get a few B-29 kills you will love its power. Just dont try to take on any real fighters.

[teh pirate]

Well, as a former Air Force mechanic and "Phantom Phixer", I don't think the IL2 engine will handle an acft as complicated as the Phantom. The avionics alone would tax it to it's limit and we haven't even gotten into it's weapons system.

As for the XB-35. Did you know it was scrapped because it had a fundimental flaw that the engineers could not fix? It couldn't fly in a straight line. That's right. It was no good as a bomber because it couldn't hold a course.

Fun to dream, but at the end of the day, IL2 has proven it can do a lot of things, but I'm afraid these two acft should stay in the realm of wishful thinking.

The XB-35 was scrapped due to the vibrations caused by the crude government-fashioned gearboxes that reverberated through the plane's hull and caused it to drift off course, yes. Assuming the plane were to be made for IL-2 we would forget that little detail and pretend Northrop was allowed to design their own coaxial gearboxes for it, which they should have been.
To clarify, the YB-35, the four-engined version did not drift, but it also didn't have enough to power to carry a sufficient bomb load. The XB-35 was the coax, and it drifted because its gearboxes were crude and not designed for coaxial use. The YB-49, which was essentially the YB-35 with its props swapped with jets, also did not drift.

As for the Phantom I don't see how its flight would be much more difficult to calculate than any other jet in IL-2 unless IL-2 gets buggy at supersonic speeds, which I myself have not experienced yet after hitting almost 2000 km/h in several aircraft including the B29 (which tore itself apart, but whatever), the Bi-6 (which recovered nicely), and the C-47 (technically only 1,200 km/h but still).

If you would like to fly the F-4 I recomend Wings Over Vietnam. If you get the Yankee Air Pirate add on, you will have new scenery ai, ect. It really rocks. The enemies are all there too. You really dont want to fly a F-4 against a I-16 do ya'? Mig-17s will challenge you and make a b&Z artist out of you.
There is allready a flying wing in IL2. Fly the G0-229. Once you get a few B-29 kills you will love its power. Just dont try to take on any real fighters.

I know of the 229. I love it, it's really fun to fly, but it doesn't feel as powerful as I'd imagine the XB-35 would. It's not as big and surely nowhere near as loud (not to mention prone to spontaneous combustion while throttling up).
On the F4, I'd love to remove inferior aircraft from my airways through the use of aircraft with technology not chronologically existing yet.

[US_GRANT]

If you want to fly technologically advanced acft like the F-4, then it probably wouldn't do you any good to ask for it here. you can try another IL2 forum, but AAA preferes to stay in the realm of WW1 to Korea. Mostly because of the limitations of the IL2 engine and partly or mostly because they want to keep it "real", if that can actually be applied to a video game.

[HH_Cipher]

If you want to fly technologically advanced acft like the F-4, then it probably wouldn't do you any good to ask for it here. you can try another IL2 forum, but AAA preferes to stay in the realm of WW1 to Korea. Mostly because of the limitations of the IL2 engine and partly or mostly because they want to keep it "real", if that can actually be applied to a video game.

Which is the best answer for the F-4. Its TOO much for this game.

[caldrail]

As an interesting aside, the RAF conducted tests to see whether modern jet fighters could handle WW2 era fighters in preparation for a campaign. Since the RAF didn't have the P51 Mustangs of it's forthcoming enemy, they substituted a late model spitfire, and sent an English Electric Lightning jet fighter in mock combat against it. The Spitfire never stood a chance.

[3dwa21]

The XP-35 looks like an intresting new plane. +1

3dwa21

[JG14_Jagr]

The reason why the Sabre and Mig15 are well suited for this game is that they are armed with guns, have no search radars, and no guided missiles.

The Phantom by design is a missile delivery system. Its radar and BVR missiles were the key characteristics of the aircraft (although future events would prove the need for guns remained)

The flying wing would be cool but as a bomber it was highly unstable..

[ROSOBORONEXPORTCORP]

As for the Phantom I don't see how its flight would be much more difficult to calculate than any other jet in IL-2 unless IL-2 gets buggy at supersonic speeds, which I myself have not experienced yet after hitting almost 2000 km/h in several aircraft including the B29 (which tore itself apart, but whatever), the Bi-6 (which recovered nicely), and the C-47 (technically only 1,200 km/h but still).

One word and one number: Mach 1

Il-2 doesn't properly model some things. I'm a bit mystified as how you got those speeds (doesn't the Bi start pitching down uncontrollably?). Did you know that it is also possible to fly into space in Il-2? The flight model calculations break down above 10,000m or so.

[Lt.Wolf]

hock: :roll:

[Trooper117]

There are some great modern jet games out there.. why on earth would you want to try to make or import them into IL2? .. The game just isn't set up for it..

[Strike]

Just wanted to add that I've always dreamt of simulated modern jet combat in IL-2 by the use of modified X-4 rockets. It would basically be an alteration of the X4 to have a shorter lifespan and different 3D model. The players would have to guide these missiles theirselves to the target and that would be the simulation of guided missiles. I think it could be very fun and a good substitute to normal dogfights.. Of course, cannons only would be very awesome too

[BH_Blue]

Just wanted to add that I've always dreamt of simulated modern jet combat in IL-2 by the use of modified X-4 rockets. It would basically be an alteration of the X4 to have a shorter lifespan and different 3D model. The players would have to guide these missiles theirselves to the target and that would be the simulation of guided missiles. I think it could be very fun and a good substitute to normal dogfights.. Of course, cannons only would be very awesome too

that sounds like a cool idea there

[Guest]

Um, the XB-35 and the YB-49 could hit targets if auto-pilot or yaw-damper was used. If I remember corrrectly, the B-29's using Norden bombsights went on auto-pilot while bombing. Although the poor aim of the flying wing helped with it's demise, the total demise was caused by the culmination of bomb aim, inability to carry first generation nukes, and low Mach limit. All of this was caused by thick airfoils in the wings.