[Saburo Sakai]

Look, i am not dissing TD, they have done a good job on the finalization of 409m.
its more oleg really, in 2006, he said that il2 was going to RRG Studios for patches and stuff and that he and his team was not working on it any more. march this year he said he had no viable offers to finish 409m. BUT in the two years that mods have been around this sim has advanced so much i expected a bit more from the loooooong awaited 409m.( like all the planes flyable for example )
so please, stop sending the hate mail pmsl.

[EasyRider]

I have read your thread from the start,it seems to me that you just expect too much Saburo Sakai and yes you were dissing them IMO
Just the thread title alone is rude, let alone all the Bull you wrote about mods versus patch.

There is no comparison with Mods and Patches,4.09 is a stock game patch for the stock game....
I bet all those that only play stock are much aprreciating this patch.This is what the patch is for ....it is not and was not designed for, or to be in compition with Mods.

I see you do not mention that AI now shut there light's off at night THANKS TO THE 4.09 PATCH,
also I see you mention nothing of the Building pop up distance issue being dealt with, as in being made better! ....Once again thank's to the 4.09 patch!

Those two things alone to me are worth it all by themselves ,let alone a few new aircraft... whether you personally like them or not !

If you don't like it then do not download it,but please keep your petty comments to yourself and try not too be so ungratefull!

EasyRider


If you have nothing good to say,then do not say anything at all.

[Bee]

Look, i am not dissing TD, they have done a good job on the finalization of 409m.
its more oleg really, in 2006, he said that il2 was going to RRG Studios for patches and stuff and that he and his team was not working on it any more. march this year he said he had no viable offers to finish 409m. BUT in the two years that mods have been around this sim has advanced so much i expected a bit more from the loooooong awaited 409m.( like all the planes flyable for example )
so please, stop sending the hate mail pmsl.

Saburo Sakai, I am trying to locate any mods or contributions to the game that you yourself have made in the last two years. So far I haven't been able to find anything whatsoever.
Can you direct me to some examples of your achievements? Without any great contribution yourself, you are in no position to presume to speak for the modding community or TD.

[Decon]

Someone needs to help me understand what is wrong with the negative side? Remember we have no chance to all sit around at our favorite Pub to discuss issues. We have this forum. It is not insulting anyone's efforts but a critique of their product and how it adds or adds-Not to the community. If Diadalos can't handle the heat....... A good idea may have been for that team to openly discuss their efforts and goals here and at least get a sampling of what the IL-2 community wanted in a Final patch instead of proceeding head-long into it.

As far as I am concerned this patch just made a bigger mess of a mess. 4.08 No Mod, 4.08 Mod, 4.09bm No Mod, 4.09bm Mod and now we have 4.09m Can't Mod. UGH! I would have hoped that any final patch would have drawn the community together. I want to get on HL and at the worst select, Mod, No Mod. I'm sorry but IMHO this did nothing for the community except add to the confusion and more factions. I'm sure Diadalos had best intentions and are to be commended for their efforts.

Of course, time will tell. Most squads have little choice but to stand by and see what the major HL servers do. I think we have come too far down the Modded 4.09bm road to look in the rear-view at a 4.09m that doesn't surpass what has been done to 4.09bm.

I don't call it for anyone but me. I would LOVE to see one version of the game and one community in solidarity to play and experience the camaraderie of the evening battles.

S~ To all in friendship and respect,

Decon

[Reap]

Don't you guys get it?

There is no 'ANTI' or 'PRO', just IL2 Sturmovik.

TD will develop the game in a deeper way, with changes to game code (like radar, mission triggers, etc). For those kinds of changes, you need help from Oleg. The modders fill in the gaps. This is not a Red vs. Blue thing, we're in this together.

If you don't like 4.09, it's the same as with a mod; Don't use it. Bashing a FREE patch, that is very professionally put together, and took people a lot of their time and adds VERY nice and unique content is very ungrateful and childish.

moral of my rant; Continue to look the given horse in the mouth, and have fun pulling your own plough.

rant over

Could not have said it better. As for me, I will wait for AAA to sort things. Taking nothing away from SAS, which has some cool Mods in there own right but here I have always loved the fact that you dont have to do mutiple inputs and changes to make it work. Here in AAA, when it is out, you download/Install and carry on, that is why I will wait patiently for the powers to be, to sort it out. Keep up the good work and peps be patient :wink:

~S~ Reap (AAA Member Since Day One)

[madcat]

What's bugging me and I don't know if its bugging any one else is that the people in this thread complaining about the official 4.09 patch are not being critical or saying what they think is wrong with it. They just seem to be complaining because it doesn't have enough content in there opinion.

What the hell!!!, would you go into a shop, pick up a free paper, then go to the counter & tell the shop assistant I don't what this because it doesn't have enough content?

Guys get a grip, As "Fusek" said "There is no 'ANTI' or 'PRO', just IL2 Sturmovik. If you dislike something or think something need changing, fixing or adding to official future patches go to the C1 forums; http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=98 and post in the appropriate sticky threads regarding 4.09 .

[dFrog]

Agreed. You don't like it -> you don't fly it. That's why I never flew Lerche...

[P/O W. 'Moggy' Cattermole]

Guys! Have I not said several times in this thread alone to drop the 4.09 vs mods debate?

This is getting petty, I'd ask you to stop arguing that 4.09 isn't big enough / disappointing / took too long....! It's quite rude and we don't need to hear it. Keep it to yourself. It is a free patch, not a mod. Take it, or stick to modded 4.09mb1 (or use SAS's mod activator till aaa makes a patch). Now, of course there are issues between patches and mods, but look at any other game and it's the same.. The amount of times a CoH patch knackered the mod I was helping make... Please, do stop all the complaining about the patch. People who are defending it, I admire and appreciate the sentiments but please do not enter into arguments as it makes things worse by inviting other people to try to justify their position.

Now, I'm locking this thread as I have asked several times and been disregarded. You can discuss installation issues or what it brings or how to make it work with mods, nae problem. But please stop all this poo-pooing the patch as it is really quite rude, and uncalled for considering it's an official patch that was taken up by an individual modding team, took a lot effort and was released for free for the benefit of the community. They're making more too. I'd rather they didn't think that if the community's response was like this then it clearly wasn't worth it, and so stop.

Gents, I'd ask you to please not take these arguments to other threads either.

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