[European Snake]

Does anyone agree with me about the F-82 Twin Mustang?

Someone got one nearly finished. There's a youtube video. Go ask him about it, because I'd love to see it.

[78thFG_Doodle]

The thing is of the P-47M/N Thunderbolt is that paddel props. Made the airplane more faster and also you have a 3000 horsepower engine so speed is the key with this Thunderbolt. Other thing is that this model here was equipped with eight M3 Browning .50 caliber machine guns so we'll have more firepower.

:lol: :lol: My apologies for the wrong information there fellas.

Man, I forgot about when I posted this, it was on my other account. I went off a book I found in my collection to obtain this information. It didn't have 3,000 horsepower, it had 2,800 horsepower and apparently that was with War Emergency Power which was what the P-47N had. I don't know exactly which model R-2800 it was.

Blue Skies,

-Doodle

[78thFG_Doodle]

The thing is of the P-47M/N Thunderbolt is that paddel props. Made the airplane more faster and also you have a 3000 horsepower engine so speed is the key with this Thunderbolt. Other thing is that this model here was equipped with eight M3 Browning .50 caliber machine guns so we'll have more firepower.

Doodle,

Hate to tell you, but you need to brush up on your history. Republic introduced the first Paddle Props on the P47C models. All versions of the P47 had 8 .50's

S!

*Note how I said Eight M3 .50 caliber Machine Guns, I am fully aware that all of the Jugs had eight fifties.

Blue Skies,

-Doodle

[FA_Diablo]

Also...I think all of teh 50's were M-2 model and not M-3

[{HVY-E}Jinxx]

There seems to be a glitch where I can't turn on the supercharger. I programmed the keys to turn it on in the control section (+[numpad] and Enter [numpad]) I also can't control propellor pitch in the campaigns.


Yes, we Definitely need new P-47s, and their performance needs an update as well. They are not as tough as they were historically [two cannon shells behind the canopy severs the tail, SO unrealistic] and their performance is the same at all altitudes! [they could turn with a 109 above 3,000 meters] These are a must-fix!

More corsair! The F4U-4 [as you guys have already mentioned] is a must, as well as the F2G-1 and -1C, which were equipped with bubble canopies and the fearsome R-4360 3,000 HP engine, and a 4-blade prop.
http://www.museumofflight.org/aircraft/ ... er-corsair

The Supercharger in the P47's is automatic. The performance is fine right now. You should have tried flying them back in ver. 3.07m. They take far more damage than any other plane in the game. You loosing your tail was either a very good shoot or just luck of the draw. I typically come home in Jugs that are missing tails, wingtips, parts of the fueselage etc.

As far as what a 20mm cannon shell can do.....
Do you have any idea of what a 20mm weighs and looks like? I do. I've fired them and they are quite devistating. Granted the rounds that I've shot are now made from Tungstin or D.E. but they are still just as devistating. German 20mm shells weren't just hardened AP rounds, they were cannon shells (ie. EXPLOSIVE). They detonate upon impact with any kind of hard surface such as an engine, amor plate etc. This is why they had such a hard time downing the British Mosquito. It was made of wood and the rounds would just go through without exploding.

It would be cool to make a new slot D-23 and actually not very difficult considering the external 3d work is identical to the D-22. The flight characteristics of the D-22 were not all that far off from the D-23. I think all that distinguished them was the factories they were built at.

Bill

I think the D-10&22 in game which use the early Curtiss paddle blade propeller. It should be a little better than D-27 if equipped with hamilton or late Curtiss products.

Bill,
The D10, untill they were converted, still used the "Needle Prop". The D22 was the first to come off the production line with the new Paddle prop. After pilots started reporting of the advantages, other models were converted.

The fastest P47 was the N model at appx. 467mph at 32000ft. The D27 had a top speed of about 425-435 depending on who you talk to.

My 2 cents on the turbocharger: to get user control of this there would have to be an alteration of the FM. In the original FM I think it was decided to factor in the performance effects of a supercharger without giving user control. I am not in on any of the new slot P47 development so I don't know if this is being addressed. I would like to see this in full real mode also for those who are interested in more complete engine management. For accuracy, there would have to be a the possibility of damage due to over-rpm and over heating.

Poncho,

Would love to see this in full real also, but I don't think it will happen. You'd have to have a way to control the turbo waste gate at different power settings. I'm not even sure if P47 pilots had to worry about this. I seem to remember reading something about it being automatic. Just the S/C, Water Injection, Mixture and Throttle were controlled by the pilot. Will check my reference materials again and let you know for sure.

S!

[{HVY-E}Jinxx]

Also...I think all of teh 50's were M-2 model and not M-3

M2 is the ground variant like we use on vehicles or in a tripod.
M3 is the electrically actuated variant. Typically used in remote fire systems, a/c etc. There are different versions of this depending on application.

S!

[poncho]

My 2 cents on the turbocharger: to get user control of this there would have to be an alteration of the FM. In the original FM I think it was decided to factor in the performance effects of a supercharger without giving user control. I am not in on any of the new slot P47 development so I don't know if this is being addressed. I would like to see this in full real mode also for those who are interested in more complete engine management. For accuracy, there would have to be a the possibility of damage due to over-rpm and over heating.

Poncho,

Would love to see this in full real also, but I don't think it will happen. You'd have to have a way to control the turbo waste gate at different power settings. I'm not even sure if P47 pilots had to worry about this. I seem to remember reading something about it being automatic. Just the S/C, Water Injection, Mixture and Throttle were controlled by the pilot. Will check my reference materials again and let you know for sure.

S!

OK, now I’m confused again, The turbosupercharger has a compressor driven by the crankshaft, and a compressor driven by the exhaust gas, right?. What is controlled by the s/c lever? And what is relationship between the s/c lever and the turbo rpm gauge/light? I had assumed (maybe incorrectly) that the turbo-rpm was managed by adjusting the s/c lever.
At one point I was looking into programming a functional turbo overspeed light. In my research into how it should work, I found that:
Light off = turbo rpm below optimum
Blinking light- rpm in optimal range
Light solid on= over rpm.
I remember seeing somewhere that the rule of thumb for the pilot was to “keep the light blinking”.

That suggested pilot management to me.

[FA_Diablo]

Also...I think all of teh 50's were M-2 model and not M-3

M2 is the ground variant like we use on vehicles or in a tripod.
M3 is the electrically actuated variant. Typically used in remote fire systems, a/c etc. There are different versions of this depending on application.

S!

Jinxx I thought teh M2 version was used during WW2 and teh M3 was developed as an improvement after teh war. It seems i remember teh m3 having a higher rate of fire than teh M2.

[{HVY-E}Jinxx]

Also...I think all of teh 50's were M-2 model and not M-3

M2 is the ground variant like we use on vehicles or in a tripod.
M3 is the electrically actuated variant. Typically used in remote fire systems, a/c etc. There are different versions of this depending on application.

S!

Jinxx I thought teh M2 version was used during WW2 and teh M3 was developed as an improvement after teh war. It seems i remember teh m3 having a higher rate of fire than teh M2.

Both were used during WWII with the M2 being developed back in 1918 and the M3 during WWII. The M3 does have a higher rate of fire. (appx 1200rpm vs. appx 700-900 for the M2 if the head space and timing is just right).
The actual designation for the models used on A/C were AN-M2 and AN-M3. They are remotely fired, electrically operated via a solenoid instead of a butterfly trigger, (Same thing we use in our Strykers for my unit).

The .50 is generically called M2 or Ma Duce by most everyone, but there are 3 or 4 variants.
My unit even had an M2 from WWII as none have been made for quite some time and all that are in service are constantly being refurbished.

[{HVY-E}Jinxx]

My 2 cents on the turbocharger: to get user control of this there would have to be an alteration of the FM. In the original FM I think it was decided to factor in the performance effects of a supercharger without giving user control. I am not in on any of the new slot P47 development so I don't know if this is being addressed. I would like to see this in full real mode also for those who are interested in more complete engine management. For accuracy, there would have to be a the possibility of damage due to over-rpm and over heating.

Poncho,

Would love to see this in full real also, but I don't think it will happen. You'd have to have a way to control the turbo waste gate at different power settings. I'm not even sure if P47 pilots had to worry about this. I seem to remember reading something about it being automatic. Just the S/C, Water Injection, Mixture and Throttle were controlled by the pilot. Will check my reference materials again and let you know for sure.

S!

OK, now I’m confused again, The turbosupercharger has a compressor driven by the crankshaft, and a compressor driven by the exhaust gas, right?. What is controlled by the s/c lever? And what is relationship between the s/c lever and the turbo rpm gauge/light? I had assumed (maybe incorrectly) that the turbo-rpm was managed by adjusting the s/c lever.
At one point I was looking into programming a functional turbo overspeed light. In my research into how it should work, I found that:
Light off = turbo rpm below optimum
Blinking light- rpm in optimal range
Light solid on= over rpm.
I remember seeing somewhere that the rule of thumb for the pilot was to “keep the light blinking”.

That suggested pilot management to me.

The S/C lever controls the gearing stage for the super charger. In the game it's automatic, but I believe in real life it was controlled by the pilot.
As far as the Turbo Light, your theory is sound, but since the turbo is driven by exhaust gas, you should be able to control it through the use of RPM (Prop Pitch). Less RPM is less exhaust.
The only other thing would be the use of some kind of a control for the turbo waste gate. I'm still checking on this to see if it was pilot controlled or automatic.

[tigerdrummer74]

I agree about some what if scenarios with the P-51H. Along with the m/n model P-47, it would be great to have the F4U-4 series as these planes saw actual combat sorties in the Pacific. It just seems to me that 1946 should include the -4 Corsair, the P-51H, and the Grumman Bearcat as well as the m/n series Thunderbolt. All these late war planes would be a blast to fly.

[Bob_Drugstore_Arp]

I agree about some what if scenarios with the P-51H. Along with the m/n model P-47, it would be great to have the F4U-4 series as these planes saw actual combat sorties in the Pacific. It just seems to me that 1946 should include the -4 Corsair, the P-51H, and the Grumman Bearcat as well as the m/n series Thunderbolt. All these late war planes would be a blast to fly.

For F4U-4 look here
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,1731.0.html

[LeBigTed]

For F4U-4 look here
http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,1731.0.html

Any screen of this bird ??? Nothing at SAS, I would like to see it before downloading...

[{HVY-E}Jinxx]

If memory serves, the only real visual difference of the F4U 4/5 over the F4U 1 is the 4 bladed prop. All other differences should be power plant/internal component related.

On another note,
How did this thread (P47 M/N turn into a thread on the F4U?)

Need to start a new thread for the F4U guys. Don't hijack someone's thread.

[Quelty]

Academic, in any case, since nobody has expressed interest in making these versions yet, so far as I know.

N variant is being worked on over at SAS by Kumpel