VonWaffen Wrote:Blitzkreg happen after and because England , french and canada declare war to germany.
My point was that it was going to happen anyway. Germany had already gained a track record for territorial capture and annexation, France was an age old enemy (and witness please the signing of the surrender in the very same railway carriage as the previous world war - definitely a grudge settled there) and Britain represented a powerful faction with strategic importance. Don't forget, Britain represented coal and industry back then, not to mention a possible takeover of a large and powerful navy.
Quote:Then they apply case yellow (Manstein operational exercise plan base on ww1)
You seem very dismissive about that. The fact the original plan was n exercise means nothing. To enable such a strategy means that additional detailed planning must have taken place when the overall strategy was accepted. I repeat what I said before - you cannot mount an offensive involving even tens of thousands unless you put some kind of plan in place. How else do all the individual units know where to go? Where to obtain resources? Who to report to?
Quote:They don t even espect get on the channel that fast and so easy . That why he stop the panzer division for many day when they join the channel and don t attack dunkerk, Many german infantry troops was still to far and it s well know Hitler didn t want make war with england ,Hitler give this order , he was consider them like a great nation and want them on is side. Guderian and other OKW member take it like a mistake..
No, that's wrong. By that stage Britain and Germany were at war. The realities of a quick advance are, as you point out, sometimes necessitating a halt to allow logistics to catch up, but that merely underlines the success of the mobile armoured division tactics developed by the Germans, somewhat ironically based on the ideas of British officers lik Liddell-Hart and Fuller who were ignored by officialdom in Britain (well, perhaps not entirely, Britain
did experiment with an armoured division in the 30's similar to that later used by the Wehrmacht, but quietly dropped the idea)
Quote:Then Goering convince hitler to lunch the luftwaffe on dunkirk....
All the weapons stay on the beach and many soldiers was taken prisionner , but what they do ??? Nothing for many week again England.
They try to convince them to stop war.....But Churchill won t .
I don't think you realise how determined Hitler was to dominate Europe. In any case, it didn't matter, the only - and I
do mean only - reason Hitler was keen to avoid contuing hostilities with Britain was his overriding ambition to conquer Russia, and he had written in
Mein Kampf of the straegic need to avoid a war on two fronts. Even if Britain had agreed to a cessation of hostilities, sooner or later Hitler would have turned on them.
Quote:Germany was planning to make long distance bomber...True,,, but they call them Oral Bombers , and we know were is Oral (in deap russia).....For sure they can reach new york but how they will came back ???? (Maybe they draw some luftwaffe 46 hypotetique weapon and flying saucer but it s not training troops)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
Quote:They send U-boats in Canadian and American coast that true ,but they was there to sunk boats , not to invade USA.
That's what I said. It was a strategy designed to persuade America not to suplly Britain.
Quote:OK We also know Hitler was a stupid stategist,
Actually... Hitler was an intelligent guy if not quite all there. As for strategy, let's not forget he took a poverty-stricken country deeply divided over ideology and politics, and created a unified empire stretching across mainland Europe. I'm not suggesting that was a good thing, just that it happened.
Quote:I don t think the german high command be so stupid, can you imagine them doing that kind of training, I m not, show me one prouve, better then a american soldiers earing a german one trying to talk in english to say he was train to get in charge of the connecticut administration........British planned to attack Russia after the end of the war (operation Unthinkable)....Well... Did they train administration troops???? :lol:
I have only the televised testimony of Ray Leoperd to go by. We are only taking about a cadre of German personnel anyway, not a massive corps of pen-pushers. Had an invasion of the US been a success (quite how they'd achieve it is another matter, but I suspect they were hoping on utilising pro-German sentiment, and lets not forget the antipathy present in America culture of the time. "Churchill wants to fight to the last American")
As for the British training administrators - No, they didn't. The planners were realistic and told Churchill that without allies (America, Poland, and German volunteers) the plan was effectively impossible. What was the point of training administrators, especially since Britain had no intention of staying in occupation? That was the difference. The Germans meant to keep and govern what they captured. Britain was more interested in decisive military action and political change.
PS -For those interested in alternative histories, there is an intriguing possibility. Imagine after Dunkirk that almost-helpless Britain agrees to remain neutral and leave mainland Europe to the Germans, subject to certain conditions of course. Operation Barbarossa follows, Germany reaches Stalingrad or even further but the soviet counterattacks begin to make themselves felt and by early 1943, Germany calls upon Britain to send forces to aid against communist Russia.
