04.09.2010, 19:31
If your a big fan of the Mustangs
Like I am..
Than you may want to consider HSFX over UltraPack!
Why?
Well long story short UltraPack made a lot of changes to the flight models of Lt. Wolf's new 51s..
As a mater of FACT UltraPack made changes to dozens of the flight models of the original HSFX mod planes..
With regards to UltraPack including a copy of HSFX..
I have yet to get a straight answer as to what version of HSFX is included in UltraPack
It is HSFX 4.0, 4.1, 4.11?
And if it is 4.0 how do you apply the HSFX patches?
But I digress
In the case of Lt. Wolf's new 51s UltraPack reduced the top speed (TSPA) and rate of climb (ROC) of Lt. Wolf's new 51s..
At that time the folks over at UltraPack said they made the changes to Lt. Wolf's 51s in UP 1.8 to make them 'more realistic' performance wise..
Based on their research at that time..
Luckily some folks like me pointed out that their research was 'lacking' and their test methods were in 'error' (didn't use the std atm map) and that the changes they made actually resulted in 'less realistic' performance..
The good news is that in UltraPack release 2.0 they made more changes to Lt. Wolf's new 51s to increase the top speed and rate of climb..
That is tos say in UP 2.0 the un-did some of the changes they made in UP 1.8..
The bad news is they did not un-do all the changes and thus did not fully restore them to their original Lt. Wolf's performance values..
That is to say the UltraPack version of Lt. Wolf's 51s are still slower and don't climb as well as the original HSFX version of Lt. Wolf's 51s..
What does that mean to you?
Well if you fly online in a server that allows mods and your using HSFX..
Your HSFX 51 will be faster and climb better than those using flying the same 51 and using UltraPack..
To make an analogy..
It is like the UltraPack users got the late Friday afternoon production line 51 (read lemon) and your got the early morning bright eyed and motivated production line version
In short if you use HSFX you will have a performance edge UltraPAck users..
On a related note..
UltraPack also made changes to dozens of the original HSFX mod planes EMD files..
Which has to do with the planes engines..
I'm told that the UltraPack 51s have more of a glass jaw when it comes to 'damage'
But I have not come up with a good way to test that to prove it to myself..
So take that with a grain of salt..
All in all as noted UltraPack made changes (FM, EMD, etc..) to dozens of the HSFX mod planes..
On that note..
To all of you UltraPack users out there that thought you witnessed a hacker pass you by in the same plane..
Keep in mind that it may be a simple case of them using HSFX!
I have not finished checking all the flight model changes yet..
So I can only assume that some of the HSFX planes UltraPack changed will perform better and some perform worse as is the case for Lt. Wolf's new 51..
But once I am done I will post my findings!
On that note here is an example of the type of testing I do..
Based on SJack's zINFOMOD data use by all to generate IL2Comp data files..
Case in point the F-51D-30NA..
Let's compare the HSFX 4.1 ROC to the UP 1.8 ROC
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Rate of Climb (ROC)
F-51D-30NA UP 1.8 Rate of Climb (ROC)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has a max ROC of ~4200fpm where as UP 1.8 has an ROC of only ~3500fpm
That is a difference of nearly 700fpm!
And as anyone in the know knows that the ROC testing of WWII is analogous to the modern energy methods Ps testing which is a measure of excess power. Excess power which is analogous to maneuverability.
But as noted above..
UltraPack caved to the pressure by folks like me who pointed out their research was lacking and their test methods were in error and added back some of the ROC in version UP 2.0
With that said let's compare the HSFX 4.1 ROC to the UP 2.0 ROC
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Rate of Climb (ROC)
F-51D-30NA UP 2.0 Rate of Climb (ROC)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has an max ROC of ~4200fpm edge over UltraPack 2.0 max ROC of ~3900fpm
But that is just wrt the max ROC!
Note that at just about every altitude HSFX 4.1 performs better than UltraPack 2.0
Now let's compare the HSFX 4.1 TSPA to the UP 1.8 TSPA
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
F-51D-30NA UP 1.8 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has a max TAS of ~445mph where as UP 1.8 has an max TAS of only ~435mph
That is a difference of nearly 10mph!
And as anyone in the know knows speed is life!
But as noted above..
UltraPack caved to the pressure by folks like me who pointed out their research was lacking and their test methods were in error and added back some of the TAS in version UP 2.0
With that said let's compare the HSFX 4.1 TSPA to the UP 2.0 TSPA
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
F-51D-30NA UP 2.0 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has an max TAS of ~445mph edge over UltraPack 2.0 max TAS of ~438mph
But that is just wrt the max TAS!
Note that at just about every altitude HSFX 4.1 performs better than UltraPack 2.0
Like I am..
Than you may want to consider HSFX over UltraPack!
Why?
Well long story short UltraPack made a lot of changes to the flight models of Lt. Wolf's new 51s..
As a mater of FACT UltraPack made changes to dozens of the flight models of the original HSFX mod planes..
With regards to UltraPack including a copy of HSFX..
I have yet to get a straight answer as to what version of HSFX is included in UltraPack
It is HSFX 4.0, 4.1, 4.11?
And if it is 4.0 how do you apply the HSFX patches?
But I digress
In the case of Lt. Wolf's new 51s UltraPack reduced the top speed (TSPA) and rate of climb (ROC) of Lt. Wolf's new 51s..
At that time the folks over at UltraPack said they made the changes to Lt. Wolf's 51s in UP 1.8 to make them 'more realistic' performance wise..
Based on their research at that time..
Luckily some folks like me pointed out that their research was 'lacking' and their test methods were in 'error' (didn't use the std atm map) and that the changes they made actually resulted in 'less realistic' performance..
The good news is that in UltraPack release 2.0 they made more changes to Lt. Wolf's new 51s to increase the top speed and rate of climb..
That is tos say in UP 2.0 the un-did some of the changes they made in UP 1.8..
The bad news is they did not un-do all the changes and thus did not fully restore them to their original Lt. Wolf's performance values..
That is to say the UltraPack version of Lt. Wolf's 51s are still slower and don't climb as well as the original HSFX version of Lt. Wolf's 51s..
What does that mean to you?
Well if you fly online in a server that allows mods and your using HSFX..
Your HSFX 51 will be faster and climb better than those using flying the same 51 and using UltraPack..
To make an analogy..
It is like the UltraPack users got the late Friday afternoon production line 51 (read lemon) and your got the early morning bright eyed and motivated production line version
In short if you use HSFX you will have a performance edge UltraPAck users..
On a related note..
UltraPack also made changes to dozens of the original HSFX mod planes EMD files..
Which has to do with the planes engines..
I'm told that the UltraPack 51s have more of a glass jaw when it comes to 'damage'
But I have not come up with a good way to test that to prove it to myself..
So take that with a grain of salt..
All in all as noted UltraPack made changes (FM, EMD, etc..) to dozens of the HSFX mod planes..
On that note..
To all of you UltraPack users out there that thought you witnessed a hacker pass you by in the same plane..
Keep in mind that it may be a simple case of them using HSFX!
I have not finished checking all the flight model changes yet..
So I can only assume that some of the HSFX planes UltraPack changed will perform better and some perform worse as is the case for Lt. Wolf's new 51..
But once I am done I will post my findings!
On that note here is an example of the type of testing I do..
Based on SJack's zINFOMOD data use by all to generate IL2Comp data files..
Case in point the F-51D-30NA..
Let's compare the HSFX 4.1 ROC to the UP 1.8 ROC
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Rate of Climb (ROC)
F-51D-30NA UP 1.8 Rate of Climb (ROC)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has a max ROC of ~4200fpm where as UP 1.8 has an ROC of only ~3500fpm
That is a difference of nearly 700fpm!
And as anyone in the know knows that the ROC testing of WWII is analogous to the modern energy methods Ps testing which is a measure of excess power. Excess power which is analogous to maneuverability.
But as noted above..
UltraPack caved to the pressure by folks like me who pointed out their research was lacking and their test methods were in error and added back some of the ROC in version UP 2.0
With that said let's compare the HSFX 4.1 ROC to the UP 2.0 ROC
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Rate of Climb (ROC)
F-51D-30NA UP 2.0 Rate of Climb (ROC)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has an max ROC of ~4200fpm edge over UltraPack 2.0 max ROC of ~3900fpm
But that is just wrt the max ROC!
Note that at just about every altitude HSFX 4.1 performs better than UltraPack 2.0
Now let's compare the HSFX 4.1 TSPA to the UP 1.8 TSPA
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
F-51D-30NA UP 1.8 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has a max TAS of ~445mph where as UP 1.8 has an max TAS of only ~435mph
That is a difference of nearly 10mph!
And as anyone in the know knows speed is life!
But as noted above..
UltraPack caved to the pressure by folks like me who pointed out their research was lacking and their test methods were in error and added back some of the TAS in version UP 2.0
With that said let's compare the HSFX 4.1 TSPA to the UP 2.0 TSPA
F-51D-30NA HSFX 4.1 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
F-51D-30NA UP 2.0 Top Speed per Altitude (TSPA)
As you can see HSFX 4.1 has an max TAS of ~445mph edge over UltraPack 2.0 max TAS of ~438mph
But that is just wrt the max TAS!
Note that at just about every altitude HSFX 4.1 performs better than UltraPack 2.0