Any of you modelling Guru's going to try an F9F Panther?
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Now that Franken3D is no longer needed, a true F9F would be possible.. and its a great mud moving plane with a lot of history. CV Ops with rockets and bombs.. what could be better than that? Smile
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Moved - please post in the correct sections Smile
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lol Magpie i was just leaving a comment and then i posted it and it said it had been moved!

gosh

but yea someone is working on it i believe i got a PM from them
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#4

Why are they even considering a Panther? It didn't first fly until 1947 (prototype) and was not even used until Korea.

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#5

Along this vein a Bearcat and Tigercat would be my wish, anyone know about plans for those?
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Redleg Wrote:Why are they even considering a Panther? It didn't first fly until 1947 (prototype) and was not even used until Korea.

Exactly! There is a not too small group of players that are very interested in Korean era scenarios and equipment. Rest assured you'll see more Korean era mods.

Cheers,

BB
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Redleg Wrote:Why are they even considering a Panther? It didn't first fly until 1947 (prototype) and was not even used until Korea.

Because they are great fun to fly, the game already has Essex class CV's, there is a great Korean Theater map... Why would they NOT consider making one? Why do so many people (who usually are not the people who do the work on models etc.) seem to have a very self righteous attitude that people should be limited in what they can develop? One of the most anticipated portions of SOW boB isn't the BoB, its the Korean Add On thats already been worked on in anticipation of SoW.

The F9F with rockets and bombs taking off from a CV, flying a strike mission, and landing on a CV post mission, would be a lot of fun to a lot of people.. isn't that enough of a reason to suggest it? Thats the whole point here isn't it? To develop things that people will enjoy and appreciate?
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JG14_Jagr Wrote:...the game already has Essex class CV's...
These are not exactly the same as the ones used in Korea, they were extensively modernized right after the war (WW2 that is), got angled decks and all that jazz to make them capable to operate planes such as the Panther. Before this it was very impractical if not outright impossible to operate high performance jets off carrier decks.
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Radoye Wrote:
JG14_Jagr Wrote:...the game already has Essex class CV's...
These are not exactly the same as the ones used in Korea, they were extensively modernized right after the war (WW2 that is), got angled decks and all that jazz to make them capable to operate planes such as the Panther. Before this it was very impractical if not outright impossible to operate high performance jets off carrier decks.

CV-9 (Essex), although it had a new modified flight deck and tower during Korea didn't get an angled flight deck until 1955. It probably won't take much to modify the in game Essex to reflect the Korean era Essex.

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2bits Wrote:
Redleg Wrote:Why are they even considering a Panther? It didn't first fly until 1947 (prototype) and was not even used until Korea.

Exactly! There is a not too small group of players that are very interested in Korean era scenarios and equipment. Rest assured you'll see more Korean era mods.

Cheers,

BB

Now see I thought the Marine Used the Panther In Korea. In fact I think I have some pictures of one sitting on the tarmac at Taegu K-2.

P.S. I'm working on a new Entire Korea, and Southern Japan Map, Look for the WIP Post soon.
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#11

Well I know Flak was planing on doing it, but he
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Panthers and Banshees were both used by Navy and Marines in Korea. F9F-2 through -5's were used in that war. Since the F9F couldn't carry a huge load off of a carrier, the Marines flew them from ground bases to get the load up.
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Radoye Wrote:
JG14_Jagr Wrote:...the game already has Essex class CV's...
These are not exactly the same as the ones used in Korea, they were extensively modernized right after the war (WW2 that is), got angled decks and all that jazz to make them capable to operate planes such as the Panther. Before this it was very impractical if not outright impossible to operate high performance jets off carrier decks.

You are right, the carriers used in Korea were not EXACTLY the same as they were in WWII, however I doubt very much that you or anyone else would be able to point out the differences between the carriers we have in the game now and the modifications that were done to them post WWII.
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i was at the intrepid not to long ago. During "peace time" Not much was changed on the intrepid i believe that some rooms were renovated and the tower was changed. Run way came way later
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The angled decks were not added for Korea. The details of this modernization package are below from "GlobalSecurity.org"

Essex Class (SCB 27A/125): CV 9, 10, 12, 15, 18, 20, 33, 39 -- On 04 June 1947 the CNO approved Project 27A by which Essex-class carriers were modernized to be able to handle aircraft to 40,000 pounds and included the installation of two H-8 catapults, strengthening the flight deck and clearing it of guns, increasing elevator capacity and adding special provisions for jet aircraft such as blast deflectors. USS Oriskany (CV 34), the first of nine carriers modernized under this project, began conversion at the New York Naval Shipyard on 01 October 1947. Oriskany became the prototype, while Essex was the second carrier to be modernized to the SCB-27A design. The USS Essex (CV 9) was placed out of commission in reserve on 09 January 1947. The first of the World War II carriers to do so, she then underwent modernization which gave her a new flight deck, and a streamlined island superstructure. USS Essex (CV 9) was recommissioned 16 January 1951, and on 23 August 1951 she went into combat in Korea, the first carrier to launch F2H Banshee twinjet fighters on combat missions. The SCB-27 modernization was very extensive, requiring two years for each carrier. To handle much heavier, faster aircraft, flight deck structure was massively reinforced. Stronger elevators, much more powerful catapults, and new arresting gear were installed. A distinctive new feature was a new island. Ready rooms were moved to below the hangar deck, with a large escalator on the starboard side amidships to move airmen up to the flight deck. Internally, aviation gasoline storage was increased by nearly half and its pumping capacity enhanced. Also improved were electrical generating power, fire protection, and weapons stowage and handling facilities. All this added considerable weight: displacement increased by some twenty percent.
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