[azzmunky]

CSA?? Oh, no - it is more like very weird Austria-Hungary. The tails are Austrian, the wings appear to be Hungarian...

Perhaps a Confederate battle flag would have been better, if you are obssessed with adding CSAF to the game...

No, I'm not obsessed, I can take or leave it. However, the CSA is also probably the most 'real' of the fictional air forces bandied around (is that a good way to put it) but also one that's popular for idealism rather than creative content. What I'm doing is really just a drop in the ocean. If there's no support or interest from the community, then so be it, I'll let it die a death. On the other hand, if people really do want to see a CSAAF in the game then it needs to become 'an air force', not a fantasy with bright flags all over it.

As for the 1860's history, that's all well and good, but entirely irrelevant to the 1940's. In any case, in theory the CSA might be involved in foreign wars too (though I must concede the mindset of the south makes it more likely it would stay at home )

You see, I'm not saying I know everything about the confederacy and everything it implies - hardly, being a patriotic brit - but then again, the Confederacy has an interesting aura. That rebeliousness, and in particular, the willingness to stand up for what it believed in, however diluted the original 1860's sentiment actually was, yet still provoked a war, is something that I can sympathise with.

There's nothing to stop this mini-genre being added to by others if they want to get involved. Okay, US maps might be useful, but IL2'ers are more imaginative that surely? It's a bit of fun after all.

If anyone doesn't regard my paltry efforts as 'american enough', well, so be it, but I challenege them to come up with a better recognition symbol (which is what a roundel is) rather than a complicated flag that would keep mechanics so busy painting the war would over before the planes left the hangar I guarantee, everything you think of will look like something already existing.

I'm Surprised that throughout all the threads on the CSA and the CSAAF, no one (and correct me if I happened to miss one) has even mentioned the work of Harry Turtledove.His books on alternate history are very good.In fact, pehaps his book "Settling Accounts" about an alternate WWII between the USA and CSA would make a good basis for a campaign.
Thoughts?

[azzmunky]

Also, in Harry Turtledove's alternate WWII, the CSA side with a non-Nazi Germany, resulting in a lot of German designers crossing the Atlantic. One example of this is a CSA aircraft referred to as an "Asskicker" with gull wings,fixed landing gear and sirens mounted on the gear fairings. What German aircraft do we know of that matches that description?

[jzoopster49]

Also, in Harry Turtledove's alternate WWII, the CSA side with a non-Nazi Germany, resulting in a lot of German designers crossing the Atlantic. One example of this is a CSA aircraft referred to as an "Asskicker" with gull wings,fixed landing gear and sirens mounted on the gear fairings. What German aircraft do we know of that matches that description?

Sorry, you've got that backward. In Turtledove's Alternate 20th century, the CSA is allied with Britain, France, Russia, and others in both "WW1" and "WW2". The USA is allied with Germany, Austria-Hungary, and other members of the central powers in both wars. The Central Powers (and USA) win his WW1 and the basic same alliances go at it again in "WW2". You are right though, Germany is not Nazi - it is still the German Empire. I think Turtledove chose Nazi imagery for the CSA because they get taken over by a Nazi-like party in the 1930's and try to exterminate all their black people in concentration camps.

[jzoopster49]

Continuing with Turtledove, his alternate WW2 would make a good background for a campaign, and there is a website (www.balbo-net.org) that has some good skins of CSN and CSAAF planes.

I've created some of my own USA vs CSA off-line missions based on Turtledove's war. A real problem is finding maps and buildings that look like the continental US. Since one theatre in the war is north mexico (part of the CSA in Turtledove's war) and the southwestern USA, I usually use several of the desert maps, MTO, and Darwin. Good US-style frame houses can be gotten from the objects created for Finland and Norway, and some of the Scandinavian and Slovakian churches look American. Some of the middle east stuff and the really good Egyptian stuff can be made into nice Indian pueblos and mexican villages. Oddly, the Hawaii stuff isn't all that helpful because its so tropical. What's really missing are US-looking business buildings (skyscrapers, offices. department stores, etc), so a good-looking US city his hard to manage. Confederates get a mix of types with CSA skins in the balbo-net site (the Wildcat, Hellcat, P40, P-38, G-50, and Bf-110) plus some others - mostly British and French - while the US gets a variety of US planes balbo-net does not have CSA skins for as well as other - mostly German - types. I round both sides out with a mix of Japanese, Italian, and Soviet types. I use the stock US insignia in HSFX for the US.

It's all really silly pretending North Africa is west Texas or New Mexico, and that the USA flies FW-190's, but fun

[Barkhorn]

Nice idea. Remember's me Hearts oF Iron 2, when, after having conquested the USA, i splited it in 3 countries: The Usa, The Confederates States, and Texas .

[caldrail]

There is some variety possible for scenarios. The major options are...

1 - Permanent split since the 1860's
2 - 1940's secession over some political/economic problem
3 - German invasion or annexation of the northern states (or even full on alliance)
4 - Japanese invasion of the west coast causing a three-way split
5 - Hispanic War Of Independence
6 - French rebellion in Canada and the States

[caseyjay]

There have been some CSA Airforce skins by Vigilante here posted some time ago on RAF_Lokes site http://www.balbo-net.org/
also under comic skins are two Blackhawks (for those who are old enough to remember them LoL!
and Lokes own Bornholm Air Force skins


... also for some really wacko 'What if...' skins are some of my 'Cymraeg Ilu Awyr - Welsh Airforce' :wink:

[Serpiko]

Talking about Turtledove and his alternative histories, would you figure out a mod recreating his "Worldwar" saga scenario? "Spits & BF109s vs Aliens" server LOL!



P.S.: I read it and liked it. :roll:

[caldrail]

I don't mind alternative history but despite more than a century of science fiction, so far no alien invasions or threats have taken place, and as for their reconnaisance balloons, I'm not worried in any way whatsoever. So no, I've got better and more interesting things to do.

[Fisneaky]

I'll always root for the underdog, but fail to see why the Confederacy holds such appeal when the American civil War was fought primarily over the issue of slavery.

[caldrail]

Because it wasn't fought over slavery - that was an issue used by Lincoln to persuade the public the war was necessary. The war was fought over political and economic differences, and in any case, the events of the 1860's have no relevance to this thread, which assumes a similar conflict arising from other problems/

[Hurricat101]

CSAAF? Now that would be interesting to see

[RAF_Loke]

Some CSAAF skins available here http://www.balbo-net.org/css.htm