[shakthamac]

Alert the media! Call out the National Guard! Have the FBI, the BATFE, Federal Marshalls and the Local and State police surround my house immediately!! I corrected someone's grammar!! Oh my God!!

You guys act like I'm a child-molester/murderer because I did that. A huge over-reaction I'd say.

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no, it was the fact you spelled grammar wrong.

[Slow]

Alert the media! Call out the National Guard! Have the FBI, the BATFE, Federal Marshalls and the Local and State police surround my house immediately!! I corrected someone's grammar!! Oh my God!!

You guys act like I'm a child-molester/murderer because I did that. A huge over-reaction I'd say.

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Don't go this way.


No really, don't.

[Billfish]

The B-25H has the same exact waist gunners positions as the J model, so I think it would be easy for someone to mod that using the same graphics as the B-25J. Should be easy for someone who knows how to do this stuff. Now the H has only the rear gunner and the top turret modeled, you can't pull up the waist gunner positions.

Hi Fearfactor;

Though having no idea yet on "how" to make a mod, your request seems reasonable enough to me being a number (if not all) "H"'s had side blisters added (though only a B25 novice the addition of the waist gunners seeming to be a result of shifting the turret forward)....

I agree with what you're saying, as one would think that it is simply taking from the J and adding to the H the capability and graphics.....Though that easy enough for me to "say" having no idea what would be involved.

Seems like both a reasonable and one of the easier requests made.

K2

[Billfish]

Fearfactor is correct, the B-25H waist positions were identical to those on the B-25J. I think the majority of B-25G's had these waist positions as well as the tail stinger design of the H and J installed as field modifications.

Not so sure about the "G"'s, as their top turrets were located far back. What they seem to have are very small windows or ports like all before them very near the tail that seem to have guns shoved out of them. Really a very impractical place to have a weapon and I can't imagine it was of much use.

That said I did run across a "D" with side blisters (though the gun more centrally mounted and no plexiglass)....The trouble with that arrangement is you'd have 3 men sanding one next to the other it most likely a VERY cramped position. So if that was the case then it I suppose possible some "G"'s might of had them as well.

In the end that the trouble with B-25's in that they were most likely one of the most field modified aircraft there were.....Numerous varients and possibilities of each model. The trick then being to either "add" new planes or determine either the factory varient, or the most widely made as to simply load up a plane with all the best making all others the same shifting the balance once more.

(as an ex. it's unreasonable to do a late 43 NewGuinea mission with all "J" B-25's, heavily armed defensively so making it very difficult for those in say Ki-43 unfairly)........So if all versions are incorrectly made such, might as well just have "J"'s.

K2

[RAF_Leigh]

fearfactor, dude your actng like an ass. no need to rant and rave, all you needed was a simple request, instead your close to pi%$*ng the modders off.

and wow grammar im not here to learn thats what schools for

and y dont u have a go at it then?????

[stansdds]

Fearfactor is correct, the B-25H waist positions were identical to those on the B-25J. I think the majority of B-25G's had these waist positions as well as the tail stinger design of the H and J installed as field modifications.

Not so sure about the "G"'s, as their top turrets were located far back. What they seem to have are very small windows or ports like all before them very near the tail that seem to have guns shoved out of them. Really a very impractical place to have a weapon and I can't imagine it was of much use.

That said I did run across a "D" with side blisters (though the gun more centrally mounted and no plexiglass)....The trouble with that arrangement is you'd have 3 men sanding one next to the other it most likely a VERY cramped position. So if that was the case then it I suppose possible some "G"'s might of had them as well.

In the end that the trouble with B-25's in that they were most likely one of the most field modified aircraft there were.....Numerous varients and possibilities of each model. The trick then being to either "add" new planes or determine either the factory varient, or the most widely made as to simply load up a plane with all the best making all others the same shifting the balance once more.

(as an ex. it's unreasonable to do a late 43 NewGuinea mission with all "J" B-25's, heavily armed defensively so making it very difficult for those in say Ki-43 unfairly)........So if all versions are incorrectly made such, might as well just have "J"'s.

K2

Some units began adding waste guns in the field to the B-25C/D by simply removing the plexiglass from the small window in the aft section of the fuselage (between the dorsal turret and tail cone) and installing a machine gun. This small opening certainly would not have allowed much of a field of view, was close to the vertical and horizontal stabilizers and would have had a very restricted field of fire. Other units cut a large square out of the fuselage just forward of the dorsal turret, a much better position and greater field of fire.

I have three or four photos of B-25G's in the field with the forward waste position present. One photo clearly shows that it is just an opening in the fuselage, but the others appear to be factory style blisters that look exactly like those on the J model. The B-25H had the dorsal turret moved forward to maintain the center of gravity with the factory addition of the waste position. Typically, there would be only one waste gunner and he was also the radio operator.

[Billfish]

Well I'd not be to quick to say that on earlier models (G and back) that they were "factory fit blisters"....One of the verry impressive aspects of the 5th AirForce groups being their innovation and those ideas then used by the factories in subsequent improvements.

We all know of the gunpack additions, and then nose gun modifications for strafers, yet few realize the worthless belly turret was removed and replaced with a drop tank (how they made those long flights to Wewak). So it would not surprise me if as you say the "large" mid-section opening was not field made, and then someone else came up with the idea to take it a step further (shoving the gun mounts out further to give more room) and came up with a bay window of sorts, the blister, for more room and a better view. SO very possibly just another great idea by the folks in NewGuinea.

Others some may know of were of course B-24 nose turrets (simply a tail turret fitted to the front), and P-38 wing leading edge fuel tanks (how they got their range to Wewak)....Lot of talent in that air group :wink:

K2

[danger]

lol, again......

is it not up to the modders to decide where, when or if a mod will/will not be made ?

yet again, by non modders answering a mod request, the flaming and arguments roll down hill with haste.
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