SOW update 2010-10-15
#16

Fireskull Wrote:
philip.ed Wrote:As a rule, Cumulus clouds should have some form of a flat-bottom. None of these clouds have this feature.


Hi,

There are as many cloud shapes as there are clouds. Where I live, the summer cumulus clouds often, if not usually, do not have a flat bottom.




Fireskull Smile

Then you don't live on Earth, chum, as scientifically all cumulus clouds have some sort of flat-bottom Big Grin . (Not ruler straight, but noticeably striaght.)

Either way, SoW is modelling England-France currently, so the clouds should reflect the environment.
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#17

Hello,
the cumulus have a flat-bottom (in France in any case) because this clouds because they progress vertically. At a certain altitude, they spread because the armosphere doesn't contains water at this altitude. At this time, the cumulus it called cumulo-nimbus, the only cloud who can creat tornadoes and light-storm, because there is some wind in it. But this transformation is (in the south of France in summer) very fast, and not realizable in IL-2. And cumulus are big clouds, and there aren't very big clouds in IL-2. Otherwise, here some photos:

[Image: Ch_17_07_Cumulus.JPG]
[Image: Anvil_shaped_cumulus_panorama_edit.jpg]
cumulus

[Image: Nuage_cumulonimbus.jpg]
[Image: cumulo_nimbus.JPG]
[Image: cumulonimbus.JPG]
[Image: PAMPERO+EN+EL+RIO+DE+LA+PLATA_2.jpg]
cumulo-nimbus

I hope I've helped you a little on the cumulus.
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#18

I'm sorry but cumulus are no big cloud

they are the little withe puff

after cumulus there is a ton of variation : cumulus castelanus(towering cumulus), altocumulus, cumulonumbus and so on...... :roll:
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#19

SolanaBogon Wrote:Hello,
the cumulus have a flat-bottom (in France in any case) because this clouds because they progress vertically. At a certain altitude, they spread because the armosphere doesn't contains water at this altitude. At this time, the cumulus it called cumulo-nimbus, the only cloud who can creat tornadoes and light-storm, because there is some wind in it. But this transformation is (in the south of France in summer) very fast, and not realizable in IL-2. And cumulus are big clouds, and there aren't very big clouds in IL-2. Otherwise, here some photos:

[Image: Ch_17_07_Cumulus.JPG]
[Image: Anvil_shaped_cumulus_panorama_edit.jpg]
cumulus

[Image: Nuage_cumulonimbus.jpg]
[Image: cumulo_nimbus.JPG]
[Image: cumulonimbus.JPG]
[Image: PAMPERO+EN+EL+RIO+DE+LA+PLATA_2.jpg]
cumulo-nimbus

I hope I've helped you a little on the cumulus.




Good day, everyone


SolanaBogon, what you are describing here are Cumulonimbus Clouds which produce storms such as thunderstorms and so forth. Yes, they do have a flat bottom by nature.

Cumulus clouds, however, can develop in a much wider variety of atmosheric conditions than the Cumulonimbus. In fact, Cumulus is actually a category of a clouds with more variation than some people are aware. They can develop at different altitudes than other types of clouds and with more variety. Cumulus clouds can also develop in many parts of the world in any season, though summer is most common. A cumulus cloud can be small, gentle, and round like a cotton ball. It can also have a flat bottom, though not always. Some of them are large, too, which shows the variations in this category of clouds.





Fireskull Smile
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#20

Fireskull Wrote:Good day, everyone


SolanaBogon, what you are describing here are Cumulonimbus Clouds which produce storms such as thunderstorms and so forth. Yes, they do have a flat bottom by nature.

Cumulus clouds, however, can develop in a much wider variety of atmosheric conditions than the Cumulonimbus. In fact, Cumulus is actually a category of a clouds with more variation than some people are aware. They can develop at different altitudes than other types of clouds and with more variety. Cumulus clouds can also develop in many parts of the world in any season, though summer is most common. A cumulus cloud can be small, gentle, and round like a cotton ball. It can also have a flat bottom, though not always. Some of them are large, too, which shows the variations in this category of clouds.





Fireskull Smile

Sorry, for the error, but where I live, cumulus are big clouds who progress in altitude, and not little cotton ball, but, as you said, there is some types of cumulus.
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#21

SolanaBogon Wrote:
Fireskull Wrote:Good day, everyone


SolanaBogon, what you are describing here are Cumulonimbus Clouds which produce storms such as thunderstorms and so forth. Yes, they do have a flat bottom by nature.

Cumulus clouds, however, can develop in a much wider variety of atmosheric conditions than the Cumulonimbus. In fact, Cumulus is actually a category of a clouds with more variation than some people are aware. They can develop at different altitudes than other types of clouds and with more variety. Cumulus clouds can also develop in many parts of the world in any season, though summer is most common. A cumulus cloud can be small, gentle, and round like a cotton ball. It can also have a flat bottom, though not always. Some of them are large, too, which shows the variations in this category of clouds.





Fireskull Smile

Sorry, for the error, but where I live, cumulus are big clouds who progress in altitude, and not little cotton ball, but, as you said, there is some types of cumulus.

I dont want to argue with you but.....

1-You can call them(in the pictures) cumulus if you want, but nevertheless they are AC,TCU or CB ( I could tell that a Spruce is an Oak... Both are trees, but I would be wrong :wink: )

2- Everywhere in the world that can have Towering cumulus and Cumulonimbus, you'll find that there is some cumulus around (little cotton ball), because they were as little as them, but took some expension because of the heat.


To answer the question about flat bottom of cumulus....
There can be both one(flat and not flat)
And the more big is the cloud, the more turbulant the air near would be

Have a nice day :mrgreen:
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#22

genbrien Wrote:I dont want to argue with you but.....

1-You can call them(in the pictures) cumulus if you want, but nevertheless they are AC,TCU or CB ( I could tell that a Spruce is an Oak... Both are trees, but I would be wrong :wink: )

2- Everywhere in the world that can have Towering cumulus and Cumulonimbus, you'll find that there is some cumulus around (little cotton ball), because they were as little as them, but took some expension because of the heat.


To answer the question about flat bottom of cumulus....
There can be both one(flat and not flat)
And the more big is the cloud, the more turbulant the air near would be

Have a nice day :mrgreen:

Me too I don't want to argue with you.
I know that there is cumulus and cumulo-nimbus everywhere in the world (and in Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune too).

But I just says that where I live, there is a lot of big cumulus in summer who called cumulus congestus and constellanus.

It's really thought that all cumulus likes at the congestus and constellanus :oops:

However, we forget this story, because the error is human, and we remain friend (if we're really friend). Good bye and nice week-end
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#23

SolanaBogon Wrote:
genbrien Wrote:I dont want to argue with you but.....

1-You can call them(in the pictures) cumulus if you want, but nevertheless they are AC,TCU or CB ( I could tell that a Spruce is an Oak... Both are trees, but I would be wrong :wink: )

2- Everywhere in the world that can have Towering cumulus and Cumulonimbus, you'll find that there is some cumulus around (little cotton ball), because they were as little as them, but took some expension because of the heat.


To answer the question about flat bottom of cumulus....
There can be both one(flat and not flat)
And the more big is the cloud, the more turbulant the air near would be

Have a nice day :mrgreen:

Me too I don't want to argue with you.
I know that there is cumulus and cumulo-nimbus everywhere in the world (and in Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune too).

But I just says that where I live, there is a lot of big cumulus in summer who called cumulus congestus and constellanus.

It's really, I thought that all cumulus likes at the congestus and constellanus :oops:

However, we forget this story, because the error is human, and we remain friend (if we're really friend). Good bye and nice week-end
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#24

Whatever the name, it doesn't change the fact that the clouds in SoW are just wrong.
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#25

philip.ed Wrote:Whatever the name, it doesn't change the fact that the clouds in SoW are just wrong.



Philip.ed, since you live in the British Isles, you would know better than me what should be the clouds in Storm of War: Battle of Britain.

However, I am correct than Cumulus clouds have a wide variety in the category.

Also, Oleg Maddox promises that everything is only Work in Progress (WIP) and that all bugs will be fixed by the final. That's a tall mountain to climb. :roll:


:lol:




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#26

Good point. But let's compare SoW to il-2. The clouds are nearly identical. Clearly Oleg, at the end of the day, has his own ideas of how things should look and just because he's a very experienced guy does not mean that he is always right. By this I mean that he may think the clouds should look like this, but if he was in England he'd see that his models just look wrong.
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