[msalama]

S! all. I'll explain if you don't mind that bad.

So OK, you mod and I don't. That's cool. I OTOH play mostly online, and thus don't like the idea of someone potentially cheating my ass off. Now that's OK too.

Now we both exist AFAIK, or if not then I'm getting a wee bit too intoxicated here But OK, again, let's suppose that we do. And if so, then what we IMO have to do is to draw up a code of conduct the whole community can accept, no?

Would love to hear your opinions... but anyway, I'm off to fucking bed 'cause I have to sleep all this beer off

S! and stuff like that guys.

[Bearcat]

LOL salma I just read your post in UBI...

[Lt.Wolf]

well? um, post your suggestions here, i am not entirely sure what you want

[Forager]

Well, I think he is talking about a code of conduct for members to agree to when they sign up as a member of this site to disparage all possible tampering with Flight and Damage models but I guess we will have to wait till he sleeps it off to be sure.

Msalma, just poking a little fun at ya, no offense intented and I hope the hangover is mild....

I think a more effective idea would be for you guys who run this site to Sticky and lock some sort of "Intents and Purposes" statement at the top of this forum.

We here know your goals do not involve enhancing Flight or Damage models but a highly visible statement of intent, which is not uncommon on websites, might reduce some of the hostility shown AAA on some other IL2 community websites.

When I first came here I looked for such a statement but found none and, given the controversy surrounding this place, wondered why.

I am beginning to feel a little aprehension as I look around on different areas of the site and fear an oncoming avalanche of things that might bury this site under a cloud layer so deep that we could never rise above it.

I will not go into detail with my misgivings here, it would lead this topic way off course but I do think, LtWolf, that you and the others running this site might be well served by such a statement of intent.

And, while I am here, thanks MrJolly for the amazing amount of work you are doing to make formerly AI only planes available to us all.

[Lt.Wolf]

statement of intent hmm, i like the way that looks on my plate, lol. I do see the benefits of this, but would it add credibility or help ppl sleep at night? i dont know, will it reduce the flak that we get in some places? i am open to suggestions on this but i do not know how other members of our team feel about this, i know i always say that i check files and have no interest in allowing altered FM and DMs. would this statement do much for us (community as a whole?)

[Forager]

LtWolf,
There is a core group of anti-modders who will never be convinced, no matter what disclaimers you may put up here but for the rest of the IL2 world such a step might just be seen as a good thing.

I hope others step in with comment or ideas how to reduce the animosity toward and/or enhance the reputation of AAA.

[fly_zo]

I'll wait with any statements and see if those gents have genuine interest in bringin' peace to the IL" community. Lets compare their posts here and at the Zoo first .

I have strange feeling that this visits from Zoo people are just new sport for them 8)


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[msalama]

Top of the morning to ya gents!

After a brief damage assessment I'm happy to report that the hangover actually passed me by for the most part - a nippy head, surely, but that's pretty much all! Yeah, one does get lucky occasionally 8)

But concerning the original post: sure it was a drunken & soppy can't-we-all-just-get-along kind of thing, and thus probably not worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize But I still see this rift between you modders and us conservatives as an unneeded one for the most part, because hey, the real cheaters surely are few and far between - and I'm pretty sure none of them f.ex. call this board home. And yes, OK, I was perhaps a bit hasty when talking about drawing up a code of conduct of some sort, because I really don't know how to even begin in tackling a task that huge! So yeah, strike that please, and let's NOT let the beer do the talking from now on 8)

But still something should be done IMO, because things as they stand now are good for nothing but splitting the community - and that, I'm sure, is something no-one wants to see. I did mention the community self-policing itself as an option at UBI when I took this up, and while that is indeed a controversial idea in itself (good cops vs. bad cops + who polices the police, etc.) it is at least something. So couldn't you guys f.ex. tip us onliners off if you see something suspicious going on or something, so that we at least _knew_ what to look out for?

Or something. Dunno. Shit, the nippy heid needs a cup of latte now. S! all.

PS. Zo: Rest assured that I'm NOT here to stir the pot just for the hell of it

[Phillip]

I think that the Servers online whould be very specific if they want the Mod to be used or not. Myself, if I am on a server and the Admins say no Mods, then I say Thank You and leave. No hard feelings.

I relize that most "purist" think we have just killed the sacred cow. For my part, I think both sides can get along. I have TWO install of IL-2 46. A modded and a no-modded version. No one here wants to mess with FM's or DM's. See how the people who asked are put in their place when they mention it. Most of us here are active in policing the forums when some yogi decides to get funny.

I think Zo once said on the Ubi forums that this mod will help the sales of IL-2. I know from my own experiance that that is true. I have shown alot of hard-core simmers BOTH versions of the game. Then when I explained to then and showed them what is being done, three (3) of them bought the game. Now, three does not sound like much I know. But if they showed it to three of their buds, then it MAY snowball for more fans. BTW, one of the guys is French, and he was happy as a pig in mud when he found out that he can NOW fly the Ms 406! His Granddad flew them in 1940 against the Germans.

As the song says "why can't we be friends, why cant we be friends?"


Phillip

[fly_zo]

@ msalama: We'll see... cos Bearcat really disappointed me with taking quotations from here and rearranged posted at Zoo ...

I openly say i don't trust you guys from over there to be objective regarding modding anymore .


first time i wish that i am wrong ...but ...

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[Hellzone]

hmm... i get drunk from time to time... why this guy has to express his alcohol problem here... makes me wonder ... I think he thinks this forum Is AA not AAA

[fly_zo]

hmm... i get drunk from time to time... why this guy has to express his alcohol problem here... makes me wonder ... I think he thinks this forum Is AA not AAA

well i must admit i had relatively pleasant discussion with msalama at the 1C forum some month ago ... as i said we'll see


Z

[Trooper117]

Why does there need to be a code of conduct? Do we have to start laying that kind of thing down here? One of the reasons I come here is because of that fresh attitude and development ideas from like minded people..
It's also true that anyone who doesn't want to enter into the same spirit of things as the rest of us, will just do what they want to anyway, regardless of what they sign up to.
All mods on this site have to go through the teams inspection anyway.. It would just be a waste of time..
But that's just my insignificant opinion..lol

[lowfighter]

Zo, can you provide link with Bearcat posting quotations at Ubi? Here, it's not him who disappointed me, but rather other AAA members in that "greetings gents" thread. That's too much passion in here (AAA) and over there (UBI), I don't like it honestly.

@ msalama: We'll see... cos Bearcat really disappointed me with taking quotations from here and rearranged posted at Zoo ...

I openly say i don't trust you guys from over there to be objective regarding modding anymore .


first time i wish that i am wrong ...but ...

Z

[Fisneaky]

I only fly mods on servers where I know they are welcome, and I think thats all anyone needs to do.

I think you would be more likely to encounter a cheat on a vanilla server than one which accepts mods (think about the psychology of a cheater for a moment) , and even then it would be a rare occasion.

I think the overall attitude here is very promising. The attitude at Ubi is only to be expected.