04.01.2008, 14:06
Boser Wrote:Real russian's wing. REAL COLOR!!!!
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.ph...1170922123
Thanks for the photo.. That's pretty clear.. :|
Default skins in 4.09
Thanks for the photo.. That's pretty clear.. :|
04.01.2008, 14:24
SHOW US A BETTER BOOK ABOUT VVS COLORS!!
PLEASE DONT IGNORE MY SOURCES IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY BETTER!!
PLEASE DONT IGNORE MY SOURCES IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY BETTER!!
04.01.2008, 14:37
vpmedia Wrote:SHOW US A BETTER BOOK ABOUT VVS COLORS!!It's my source http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazin ... /index.htm
PLEASE DONT IGNORE MY SOURCES IF YOU DONT HAVE ANY BETTER!!
and this http://www.wunderwaffe.narod.ru/Magazine/AK/index.htm
but i think it realy don't help you......
04.01.2008, 14:49
You'd be probably surprised to see my library / both on and offline. Lets stop this debate, theres my skinmod and you can replace any skin you want.
04.01.2008, 15:08
vpmedia Wrote:You'd be probably surprised to see my library / both on and offline. Lets stop this debate, theres my skinmod and you can replace any skin you want.Sry, but i realy don't want canon's default skins in final patch....
P.S. And my mistake about yak's, i realy apologize
04.01.2008, 15:34
Here
04.01.2008, 16:11
I installed vpmedia's Yak skins and I am now 159 missions into a Dgen Eastern Front campaign. I just want to say that these skins are all works of art, with beautiful depth and detail and I have been making lots of screen shots just to admire them... I'll post some of them when I get a nice selection together. Thank you very, very much!
11.01.2008, 08:41
It's the same old thing again, I'm afraid....
The problem when someone like Istvan introduces proper VVS colouration to any community with no experience in this area of study is that such results in predictable and uniform complaining. His choices are basically correct, your ideas of "dull", bland colouration are not.
The photograph posted (nice) actually depicts a part of the fuselage from an LaGG-3. It is finished with the later lacquer system AMT-4/-6/-7 (Green/Black/Blue). One should of course bear in mind that the item is 65 years old, and the colours will therefore be desaturated due to exposure and degradation. If you compare this photo to the chip for the same AMT lacquers posted by Istvan, you'll see the obvious origins of the appearance.
The earlier system, "AII" (A2) lacquers, were quite a bit brighter (for example on the early Yak-1). On p. 99 of the reference work cited by him you'll find the photo of an I-152 restored with lacquers AII Green and Blue which were devolved from physical samples investigated at length by a scientific laboratory. You may object to the colouration, but it is quite accurate despite your prejudices. Indeed, all of our "ideas" about VVS paints are no more than very poor prejudices based on terrible colour profiles appearing in books for 60+ years. The accepted appearance for all VVS aircraft in most communities is utterly wrong, as proven by both physical and documentary evidence. Indeed, one need only examine the VVS' long history of using bright camouflage colours-- for example on their modern jets, and those of the 70's and 80's-- to see the logic of this appearance to that service.
I might also remind all that the currently mooted 'dull' colouration is, in my opinion, a modern fad, nothing more. All viewers who examine the authentic Bf 109 in the Australian War Museum are astounded by the bright and 'gaudy' colouration, which the museum maintains is the only authentic surviving specimen of L/W paint from the War. I suspect that most paint from the 1935-45 era was similarly bright by modern standards.
And just as a last bit, can we keep the banter to adult levels of conduct, please? Discovering that one's long-held ideas may not be quite factual is no legitimate cause for abusive language. Right....
The problem when someone like Istvan introduces proper VVS colouration to any community with no experience in this area of study is that such results in predictable and uniform complaining. His choices are basically correct, your ideas of "dull", bland colouration are not.
The photograph posted (nice) actually depicts a part of the fuselage from an LaGG-3. It is finished with the later lacquer system AMT-4/-6/-7 (Green/Black/Blue). One should of course bear in mind that the item is 65 years old, and the colours will therefore be desaturated due to exposure and degradation. If you compare this photo to the chip for the same AMT lacquers posted by Istvan, you'll see the obvious origins of the appearance.
The earlier system, "AII" (A2) lacquers, were quite a bit brighter (for example on the early Yak-1). On p. 99 of the reference work cited by him you'll find the photo of an I-152 restored with lacquers AII Green and Blue which were devolved from physical samples investigated at length by a scientific laboratory. You may object to the colouration, but it is quite accurate despite your prejudices. Indeed, all of our "ideas" about VVS paints are no more than very poor prejudices based on terrible colour profiles appearing in books for 60+ years. The accepted appearance for all VVS aircraft in most communities is utterly wrong, as proven by both physical and documentary evidence. Indeed, one need only examine the VVS' long history of using bright camouflage colours-- for example on their modern jets, and those of the 70's and 80's-- to see the logic of this appearance to that service.
I might also remind all that the currently mooted 'dull' colouration is, in my opinion, a modern fad, nothing more. All viewers who examine the authentic Bf 109 in the Australian War Museum are astounded by the bright and 'gaudy' colouration, which the museum maintains is the only authentic surviving specimen of L/W paint from the War. I suspect that most paint from the 1935-45 era was similarly bright by modern standards.
And just as a last bit, can we keep the banter to adult levels of conduct, please? Discovering that one's long-held ideas may not be quite factual is no legitimate cause for abusive language. Right....
11.01.2008, 09:14
Wow. SG2Wasy - That was just appallingly rude! First language or not is no excuse in this case.
Like their work or not, at least respect what they did. These guys spend a long time researching their work and to have it dismissed like that is unacceptable.
I respect what you've done for the community in most areas but this just sickens me.
Like their work or not, at least respect what they did. These guys spend a long time researching their work and to have it dismissed like that is unacceptable.
I respect what you've done for the community in most areas but this just sickens me.
11.01.2008, 09:29
Nocturnum Wrote:Wow. SG2Wasy - That was just appallingly rude! First language or not is no excuse in this case.Lol if this damn skins go in final 4.09, i and many other's player will be very unhappy(if use soft words), colors of this skins is terrible. May be they use many time for it, but it works was made BAD.
Like their work or not, at least respect what they did. These guys spend a long time researching their work and to have it dismissed like that is unacceptable.
I respect what you've done for the community in most areas but this just sickens me.
11.01.2008, 11:04
Erik, the case is similar with the japanese aricraft, I think this below applies well for VVS aircraft too (+ add the "cold war"):
[quote]Great Britain and Germany had been engaged in aerial combat for little more than a year when the Harborough Publishing Company, Limited, of England released the first of a seven volume series of texts entitled the Aircraft of the Fighting Powers (AFP). The texts
[quote]Great Britain and Germany had been engaged in aerial combat for little more than a year when the Harborough Publishing Company, Limited, of England released the first of a seven volume series of texts entitled the Aircraft of the Fighting Powers (AFP). The texts
11.01.2008, 15:26
Ok, it's very good news, most skins from our skinpack make by bomber.
11.01.2008, 22:37
Does no one realise that the soviets had no taste? 
Vpmedia, CanonUk: Guys IMHO your work is absolutly amazing! I wish that I could produce ANYTHING near as good as what you guys do (your work is a basis of inspiration for mine)
Wasy, forgive me, but if you dont like them... just dont install them?
Vpmedia, CanonUk: Guys IMHO your work is absolutly amazing! I wish that I could produce ANYTHING near as good as what you guys do (your work is a basis of inspiration for mine)
Wasy, forgive me, but if you dont like them... just dont install them?
12.01.2008, 07:04
RAF_Magpie Wrote:Does no one realise that the soviets had no taste?Becouse i like others skins, but toxic green on our birds is terrible. And possible what final patch will be include new skins anyway and we don't may select, what about it?
Vpmedia, CanonUk: Guys IMHO your work is absolutly amazing! I wish that I could produce ANYTHING near as good as what you guys do (your work is a basis of inspiration for mine)
Wasy, forgive me, but if you dont like them... just dont install them?
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