[Jaws2002]

I'm not sure is entirely corect to say that late 190's A had to have the rack.
For the A8 it was necesary only when the auxiliary fuel tank was filled. (COG too far back).
The A9 had thicker (heavier ) armored ring in front of the engine and the COG issue didn't exist.

So.....











The thing was not that hard to remove:



But to be honest I don't really care about the rack in game.

[Trooper117]

Good work, not seen those pics before!

[Sturmbock]

1st picture: Fw 190F-8/R1

2nd picture: airplane captured by Americans, the original German had rack?

3rd picture: aircraft in display, the original had rack?

4th picture: Fw 190F-8/R1 W.Nr.12043 was captured by Americans, transported to the US and assigned FE-116 (Foreign Equipment).

5th picture: Fw 190A8/R2s of 12.(sturm)/JG 3. Rarely seen was the

[Jaws2002]

Anyway this is only information, I don't have any interest, I understand that you want a option without rack.

I do not want a variant without the rack. I just had the pics and posted them. I also read a few good pages of debate about this in Aces High years ago and Krumpp from White One Foundation posted quite a few pictures of late 190's without the rack.Not this ones. He also explained why it wasn't necesarry to have the rack. It was just convinient to keep it there and were orders on many ocasions to fly with drop tanks.
I do not want a variant without the rack. There are plenty tweaked planes and screwed up ("fixed") weapons mods out there already. I do not want this game's FM's and DM's "fixed" more then it is.

We already have yahoos that can't shoot or fly straight "fixing" things. No need to mess it up more.

[Sturmbock]

Sorry, English is not my natural language. :?

So, take two: For me is understandable that someone want an option without rack.

[Jaws2002]

Sorry, English is not my natural language. :?

So, take two: For me is understandable that someone want an option without rack.

Only a visual change wouldn't bother me , but when someone that doesn't understand 100% how the FM is working, starts to tweak the fm, then we have a problem. Just like with the weapons mods.

[JV69_BADA]

1st picture: Fw 190F-8/R1

190F8-R1???????? with mk103?...didn't know there evev existed such a version! :roll:

Look in the A8 manual, there are some sentences like "if rear tank fitted" or "if rear tank removed",
will be pleased to sent you the manual by mail if needed.

anyway, the A8/a9 in game seems to have it's rack modeled as part of it's 3d model. So, unless someone change it's 3d model....no way to remove the ETC like it's doable on the previous versions.

[Sturmbock]

Ooops!, that is not a Mk103, no cannon, only a spot in the picture, look at the wing, no bulge. :wink:

And if you look with detail, you will see a late schlacht cammo.

[b]Fw 190F8/R1 (R

[Sturmbock]

The Fw 190F8/R1 was a version with ETC racks under wing, but...hock:

Fw 190F8/R3: allowed for the installation of two underwing 30mm Mk 103 cannons with improved tapered external pods. By this time, however, research with the Mk 103 cannon pods was being terminated and it is believed that only two F-8s were so equipped.

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This is a real Mk 103 in an Fw 190F8/R3. The difference between two pictures is big, the cannon on the first one is fake or more probably a scratch, dot, etc...

[Trooper117]

F*ck me!.. You wouldn't want to get in front of that thing would you!!

[dfym]

maybe in a modern combat helicopter (tiger, apache...) but not in a ww2 plane

[Flanker35M]

S!

The strange thing in IL-2 is that if you want to remove the outer guns from Fw190A-series, it automatically slaps in the bombrack negating the gain you might get. Many FW190A's had their outer guns removed giving better roll rate and better performance. For example Gefechtverband Kuhlmey's Fw190A's..A-6 and A-7's if I recall right, did not have outer cannons fitted. Luckily with the FW190A-3 I can fly the inner cannon only + MG's version and it gives a run for the money. Fw190A-8 feels pretty useless in IL2, even F-8 is better I believe that mods were made on field to improve performance, but hard to find documents.

So I would like have the option to fly the FW190A-4 and Fw190A-5 without the rack if I remove the outer guns for some performance increase. This should apply to the Fw190A-8 too, at least an option to have outer guns removed.

[Aymar_Mauri]

Yes for the removal of the rack.

And yes, this will probably piss people, but I still have to vent:

Yes for new slots with new FM for A4, A5, A6, A8 and A9 to correct kommandogerat lawnmower engine response. Hope to see new slot planes with correct engine response like new A3.

And yes, 1.65 ATA A8 in Olegland is as unrealistic plane as one can have in a WW2 aerial combat simulator.

Just venting. No need to reply. I'm not discussing anything...

[I/JG27_Waggel]

The reason for the ETC on the FW-190A-8 was the C3 injection. While the C3 injection was in use the engine took much more gasoline. Round about 70 liters more in 5 miuntes. So there was a new 115 liter tank which was built behind the cockpit. There was a movement in the equilibrium that made the plane very instable. This problem caused a lot of headakes and the begin of the A-8 production went into the december of 1943. The first solution for the equilibrium problem was the ETC bomb rack. It was moved foreward.

The new 115 liter tank did not make it into the serial production until september 1944. It was available with the ETC as a r

[Aymar_Mauri]

In the long run there will be a complete new A series in the mod packs. I personally whould not bring the 115 liter tank until the A-9 because this tank was only a field mod in the A-8. There will be an early A-8 (december 1943 until june 1944) and a late A-8 (june 1944 until october 1944).

Reason:
The problem with the C3 injection (too hot engine in climbing situations and a too small injection pump) in the secound loading gear was solved in early 1944 and official came to the geschwaders in June 1944.

You should see a description of the c3 injection in the handbooks of september 1944.
(FW-190A7 bis FW-190A9 Flugzeug Handbuch Teil 07).

Another point is that we will get more detailed ETCs in the long run. But it is like everything. It takes time.

Nice to know about the new Antons. Really good to hear.

So, the C3 was responsible for excessive consumption but not the B4, while on emergency power?

Thanks for the info, I/JG27_Waggel.