Advanced tweaks for IL2 stutter/FPS problems.
#91

In all honesty it seems like you have some kind of issue with your PCIE bus. Changing the memory thing was good, it might improve performance with windows and load times, but like I said I didn't think it was the problem at hand.

If you can get the CPU scores from either 3dmark03 or 05 I might be able to trace the problem further. (Click Details after you run 3dmark, or select only CPU tests to be run if you can) If the CPU scores are correct then we've traced the problem to either the video card or the video card bus, or something in windows relating to the video subsystem. GPUZ looks correct, which is why I'm really curious now. All the readings are fine, but the performance is not.

Edit: Do you have Antialiasing, vsync, or anisotropic filtering turned on in your ATI control panel? Or anything else changed from default in that area?
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#92

I'll run the 3dMark03 and 05 again and see what I get.

All the settings for video are default, except vetical Sync is off.

The video card I have is a Sapphire PCI-E X800 GTO 256MB

If it will help I can easily remove the PCI-E and install the ATI 9800 PRO 128MB AGP card.

My motherboard supports both boards. ASROCK 939Dual-SATA2
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#93

That wouldn't be the liar Sapphire would it? Sapphire made a couple of cards that they sold as certain models but in reality they cut corners and did not match the actual spec. I refused to buy sapphire after that incident (and continue to avoid them to this day), and it would explain the scores, however your GPUZ looks normal. Can I get a product code for the card, either directly off the video card (look for a serial number sticker on the backside) or the original box.

I don't need 3dmark05 scores just 03. If you can run 03 on the 9800 pro that will help, and I've never seen a board with both PCI-E and AGP -- that could be important to our problem. Have you disabled AGP completely in the bios?

Edit: On searching I cannot easily find the information I am referring to. I know for a fact it happened because it was all over tech forums when it happened, but it disappeared equally as fast. Strange, and I wish I could remember what model Radeon it was that they did this to. I believe their solution was to rename the card(s) in question with a new name, "SE" or something such. This was post-outcry.

Edit2: I'm really keen to find this information so here are some more details maybe you'll have better luck than I am with google. The Sapphire card(s) in question (and I can't remember if it was 1 or a whole line) came out as, I THINK, "Pro" named or "GTO" named, but in reality they were lower clocked or pixel pipeline locked versions of the card with a different bios so they would identify as what you thought you purchased. I'm pretty sure this happened pre-2000/3000 series, either x1800/1900 or x800 series.

Either way if we can't find this information at least I can verify that your part is not one of the crippled ones if you provide the part number.
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#94

Ok I think I found it. The X800 SE is listed at GPUreview as only being produced by Sapphire and MSI, and this fits with what I remember. Sapphire did it first, but they didn't change the name to "SE" until the tech world got a hold of the actual card specs and went ballistic with what was essentially advertising fraud (because there was a huge (at the time) difference between pro, GT, GTO, XT, XL, and SE).

Now I'm really keen to find out your part number. 8)
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#95

But after all this research I have to admit this is probably not your specific problem. Even the X800SE gets at least 6-7k -minimum- in 3dmark03, so this line of inquiry is not going to be helpful. Sorry about that. I had to trace it out through anyway. Smile

Let me know how the AGP 9800 scores come out.
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#96

I'm getting ready to pull the Sapphire card and I will post the model,serial, etc.

I went back into the catalyst Panel and moved everything in 3D Back to default, and then looked over the settings.

I then lowered them to the lowest settings possible

My 3dMARKO3 = 9844
mY 3dmARK05=4516

I couldn't get a complete run on the programs because the computer kept rebooting.

I change MA Timining to 1T and changed the setting on Dram Voltage to High. I understand neither setting will hurt the card.

The Sapphire card is a firggin joke. It will not run my monitor with the DVI cable. In fact, I sent the darned card back to Sapphire 2 times and EACH TIME they sent back another card same type. I paid 15.00 each time, so I figured to just screw it last time they returned the card and it didn't work with DVI cable.

I realize there should be some overhead since the signal must be coverted digital/analog. It has always annoyed me, mostly because it's just not right.

I didn't know the fraud thing about Sapphire, but my experience with them has been lsss then favorable. They were nice enough, but their stuff should work.

I mentoned to a friend the other day how bad the Chinese are about cutting corners and lying is such a way of life fof them. I'm amazed and grateful we still get the quality in Computer hardware from them and they've done away with most of the competition, except among themselves.

Don't know why sound cards are so expensive. They are simple and cheap to builid.

Anyway... off the soap box and on to the task at hand.
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#97

Here is the poop off the Sapphire Video card

Sapphire X800 GTO 256MB GDDR3 PCI-E VGA TVO/DVI-I
PN# 1024 AC60 OA 5A
SKU#11067-04
SER#A054400147201

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The 3dMark03= 5990

with ATI 9800 PRO 128MB video card.

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#98

Ok, first of all the score for the 9800 PRO is correct, assuming you ran at default settings and not "lowest possible settings in the drivers" -- Let me know.

Lowest possible settings in the drivers is a bad idea please don't do it again, it throws off our entire work here because there is no point of reference for lowest driver settings possible -- NOBODOY DOES IT! Tongue
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#99

yes i have heard about saphire fraud, never going to buy are from them, EVER! Confusedhock:
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Read this:

http://www.redhill.net.au/b/b-bad.html

It will open your eyes. This stuff still goes on, but these days it is a bit more rare and even harder to detect because they've gotten a lot smarter (plus the technology that makes this type of fraud possible has taken a giant leap forward as well). I've actually seen in person a couple of the boards in that article, and worked on them. At the time we just thought they were terrible, garbage, didn't work right, etc. We had no idea WHY this was so, but reading that article sure gave me flashbacks.
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I bought my Sapphire from NewEgg.com.

I thought they were a reputable company. Face it, for the most part the consumer doesn't know zip about the Chinese Mfgr of boards. The ASROCK mobo I bought is a pretty new company and they've got abunch of boards out.

When these companies get into financial problems I can see them dumping junk on us.. I know for sure not to buy anything from Fry's if I can help it. They do a lot of liquidation for Chinese company products.

I pay more to just about anyone before I buy a product from Fry's with or without a rebate. I never get the rebates and Fry's won't help you get them either.

Building a new computer is in my plans, but I've been kinda holding off. I understand the quad core thing isn't working out as well as some of the dual core stuff. I plan to carefully resarch my next system. No hurry, no worry. LOL

I didn't jump into the 64 bit stuff, but I've still be very disappointed by the system I currently have.
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AMD's quad core thing isn't working out very well but the Intel one, the Core2Quad Q6600 2.4ghz cpu, is SCREAMING (and before this cpu I was an AMD user since 1998). Even with stock cooling 90+ percent of them will do 3ghz. Everyone I know who has one either runs it at 3.2 or 3.6 -- EVERY SINGLE PERSON. The thing is pure sickness, and multiple cores are the wave of the future. Games can very easily take advantage of multiple cores, its not nearly as tough as, say, writing a new engine from scratch for DX10. :wink:

Edit: And you are correct about Fry's but it is funny you say that because I just bought the first thing I've bought from them since 2002 or so, my wife's Core2Quad Q6600 cpu a week ago when they had a sale for 179.99 vs Newegg's price of 249.99 -- SICK EH. It went fine but I did buy it online and not at an actual Fry's store. They even delivered it to my door 22 hours after I ordered via the cheapest shipping method available, DHL ground!
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Made double sure I set the catylst drivers to default

3Dmark03 = 9639
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BigSilverHotdog Wrote:AMD's quad core thing isn't working out very well but the Intel one, the Core2Quad Q6600 2.4ghz cpu, is SCREAMING (and before this cpu I was an AMD user since 1998). Even with stock cooling 90+ percent of them will do 3ghz. Everyone I know who has one either runs it at 3.2 or 3.6 -- EVERY SINGLE PERSON. The thing is pure sickness, and multiple cores are the wave of the future. Games can very easily take advantage of multiple cores, its not nearly as tough as, say, writing a new engine from scratch for DX10. :wink:

Edit: And you are correct about Fry's but it is funny you say that because I just bought the first thing I've bought from them since 2002 or so, my wife's Core2Quad Q6600 cpu a week ago when they had a sale for 179.99 vs Newegg's price of 249.99 -- SICK EH. It went fine but I did buy it online and not at an actual Fry's store. They even delivered it to my door 22 hours after I ordered via the cheapest shipping method available, DHL ground!

The last two computers I built I used AMD processoers and memory I bought at Fry's the price was right and the products - Corsair or Patriot Memory and AMD or Intel. .. Well Fry's can't mess with that, because the companies have very strict qualtiy control.

I visited with a rep from Intel a while back, and he advised if I bought a highly recognized name brand Mobo at Fry's it should be fine. I've always found Mobo better priced than Fry's.

I recently bought the Acer X241W 24 LCD monitor from MicroCenter. They had a $100 rebate on $399 purchase. I got the rebate about 60 days later, but I did get. My brother bought a monitor from Fry's with a rebate and he got a lawyer buddy to write them a letter and got his rebate directly from Fry's. It can be done,but most of us would have to pay the lawyer.
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nearmiss Wrote:Made double sure I set the catylst drivers to default

3Dmark03 = 9639

And this is with the x800 GTO back installed, right?
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